Pictomancer is insanely overtuned and needs to be fixed before savage drops.

[Chyro]

What utility is everyone talking about?
The longer cooldown 10% HP shield (not sure if 10% of the picto hp or everyone who gets the shield) or the group damage buff? Or the little heal he can fire off every 2-3 minutes?

How is that different from other classes? There are about 4-5 classes that have a damage boosting buff or buff healing and/or have a battle rez. I realy don't get it.

Picto has very good burst damage but when the burst wears off, he does so little damage in the meantime. Viper does consistent damage and so far overall there was no real difference in damage in any fight I had with picto and viper. What is everyone talking about?

I assume the thing that stands out the most is the burst for dungeon pulls. I really enjoy it when playing picto, cause you can insta-cast your paintings between pulls to have fresh burst ready once the mobs are gathered. Don't think people can really compare the single target damage over the duration of a full fight until everyone is max geared and fighting a lv100 boss. The burst for dungeon pulls kinda takes me back to HW, when some classes had distinctly better aoe dmg for pulls (SMN, NIN) and felt very satisfying to burst down packs with them cause other classes couldn't do it as well. I don't think a class having an identity of bursting down dungeon pulls is a bad thing. Unless of course we're of the opinion everything needs to be equalized.

[Tsumdere]

They balance jobs around savage/extremes/ultimates. Dungeons are non existent. We need to wait to see the numbers for extreme trials as a starting point. Only then can we know for sure if the job is overturned. For now no one can tell for sure. The job needs to be a powerhouse but it definitely shouldn’t be doing way more damage than a BLM/SAM/VPR but it also shouldn’t be far off from the non utility jobs either since they have no res ability.

While we don't have the aggregates yet, you can look at the rankings.

EX 1: 15/20 of the Top 20 parses are Picto
EX 2: 11/20 of the Top 20 parses are Picto

The best PCT are around 1000 DPS higher than the best BLMs. The best PCT are around 3000 DPS higher than the best SMNs and RDMs. It out DPSes even the selfish melees.

For a ranged job with self-mit, party buff, movement skills, great downtime prep, crazy burst, and a flexible rotation it is insanely overtuned.
In no world should PCT be doing more damage than BLM/SAM/VPR.

[Supersnow845]

PCT 100% needs to do enough damage that it’s a fully viable pick for the 4th spot, as long as it does that much it should be fine, I genuinely have no problem with the rDPS of a job with a buff to out DPS the pDPS of the selfish jobs as long as its pDPS is lower (so whether it passes the selfish jobs is based on party contribution) basically how the healers are balanced

Basically the 4th slot should be open to BLM/PCT and the 6 melees

[SweetPete]

While we don't have the aggregates yet, you can look at the rankings.

EX 1: 15/20 of the Top 20 parses are Picto
EX 2: 11/20 of the Top 20 parses are Picto

The best PCT are around 1000 DPS higher than the best BLMs. The best PCT are around 3000 DPS higher than the best SMNs and RDMs. It out DPSes even the selfish melees.

For a ranged job with self-mit, party buff, movement skills, great downtime prep, crazy burst, and a flexible rotation it is insanely overtuned.
In no world should PCT be doing more damage than BLM/SAM/VPR.

This I agree with. I don’t think it should out dps those 3 jobs for sure. But it definitely shouldn’t be nerfed into the ground either. It has to have something for groups to wanna take it over a blm. A raid buff is not enough especially if the selfish dps can still out dps it in the end. So I wonder how SE will handle this. Because if they do nerf it down then no savage group will take it when they can just take its selfish partner BLM. I’m intrigued to see how this will end. This is coming from a PCT main.

[Supersnow845]

This I agree with. I don’t think it should out dps those 3 jobs for sure. But it definitely shouldn’t be nerfed into the ground either. It has to have something for groups to wanna take it over a blm. A raid buff is not enough especially if the selfish dps can still out dps it in the end. So I wonder how SE will handle this. Because if they do nerf it down then no savage group will take it when they can just take its selfish partner BLM. I’m intrigued to see how this will end. This is coming from a PCT main.

I think in this case this is basically the one category that healers are well designed in. Look at SCH and SGE

at a baseline SGE’s pDPS is higher than SCH’s, at the top end (above 80th percentile) SCH’s raid buff wins out, below 80% SGE’s pDPS wins out

I feel like PCT and BLM should be balanced that way with both of them strong enough to justify the 4th slot

[Sequora]

While we don't have the aggregates yet, you can look at the rankings.

EX 1: 15/20 of the Top 20 parses are Picto
EX 2: 11/20 of the Top 20 parses are Picto

The best PCT are around 1000 DPS higher than the best BLMs. The best PCT are around 3000 DPS higher than the best SMNs and RDMs. It out DPSes even the selfish melees.

For a ranged job with self-mit, party buff, movement skills, great downtime prep, crazy burst, and a flexible rotation it is insanely overtuned.
In no world should PCT be doing more damage than BLM/SAM/VPR.

No, but it should be doing similar damage to RPR, DRG, NIN, MNK. It’s much more cast heavy than SMN.

I would rather them buff BLM and SAM than nerf PCT.

[CaedemSanguis]

No, but it should be doing similar damage to RPR, DRG, NIN, MNK. It’s much more cast heavy than SMN.

I would rather them buff BLM and SAM than nerf PCT.

From what I’ve seen

They need to buff BLM

Sam/Viper are fine, they are better than PCT in adps (even if PCT seems a bit overtuned since he have a raid buff)

For rdps, reaper and pct seems a bit overtuned

[Ranaku]

Dunno what the fuzz is about but picto seems to be on average as good as the other melee jobs.

I think you fellas should rather talk about how undertuned the other casters and ranged jobs are compared to melee jobs, not the only caster that is on par with them.

[SweetPete]

Dunno what the fuzz is about but picto seems to be on average as good as the other melee jobs.

I think you fellas should rather talk about how undertuned the other casters and ranged jobs are compared to melee jobs, not the only caster that is on par with them.

I really believe they will not nerf PCT at all and buff the crap out of BLM. Let’s say they do nerf it. It won’t be by allot at all and PCT will still do crazy amounts of damage as it should.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

That’s a trade off for being ranged and not needing to do cursed shit and gamble with your life for uptime on a boss.