#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Punslinger]

The pugslinger guy name calling is missing my points entirely and being too emotional.

No, I understand your point just fine. I simply disagree with it. (And I also can't help but notice that you went straight to tone-policing instead of bothering to engage with my counterarguments.)

Your point: You think that healers cannot be trusted with any responsibility that would cause a party wipe if the healer dies, because they are a "single point of failure," and this means new/bad healers will get yelled at or something. You think healers will be too stressed to play the role unless other roles can do their job for them. You think that only giving every job a rez will allow healers to face any challenge or difficulty in encounters. You somehow don't think that tanks, who also cause a party wipe if they die during a pull, are also a single point of failure.

You ignore repeated counterarguments pointing out that Trusts are a thing, and healers who are deathly afraid of being vote-kicked from DF parties can always just run MSQ dungeons with Trusts. The solution to the "issue" you think you've found is already in the game, you just choose not to see it.

As for emotion? Well, you try having your preferred role gutted of all complexity and skill expression over the course of half a decade, seeing the devs not only ignore your feedback but also double down on those changes, and dealing with a never-ending horde of non-healers spouting the same tired, canned, easily-disproven lines over and over and over, and see what it does for your disposition.

It feels like a disease: this inability to differentiate optimization with expectation that plagues FFXIV. There has never been an epidemic of casual players being walled by any example of core content (content associated with story) ever in FFXIV's lifespan except for Coils of Bahamut.

I mostly agree, though I think pre-nerf Steps of Faith is a valid counterexample. Whether it was actually overtuned or not, it's been long enough that I don't really remember. But I do remember that a lot of people complained about not being able to progress the MSQ because of the encounter difficulty.

But yeah, expecting basic competence is not the same as demanding that every player min-max their job. It's genuinely astonishing the degree to which the detractors here conflate the two, in a rather massive fallacy of the excluded middle.

Need I also have to mention that we're called elitists and scrubs at the same time by people on your side of the argument. At the very least, coordinate with ome another so you can finalize if we're elitists or noobs.

We are Schoedinger's Healstrikers: simultaneously elitists and scrubs. We exist in a quantum superposition of skill and unskill, with the wave function collapsing into whichever state is most convenient for the detractor's argument.

[Auteur]

Your point: You think that healers cannot be trusted with any responsibility that would cause a party wipe if the healer dies, because they are a "single point of failure," and this means new/bad healers will get yelled at or something. You think healers will be too stressed to play the role unless other roles can do their job for them. You think that only giving every job a rez will allow healers to face any challenge or difficulty in encounters. You somehow don't think that tanks, who also cause a party wipe if they die during a pull, are also a single point of failure.
You ignore repeated counterarguments pointing out that Trusts are a thing, and healers who are deathly afraid of being vote-kicked from DF parties can always just run MSQ dungeons with Trusts. The solution to the "issue" you think you've found is already in the game, you just choose not to see it.

The comment by one of the prostrikers that was deleted in the middle of page 598 was "I don’t think healers need this redundancy. I think it’s fine they might get kicked if their bad gameplay prevents progress." This precisely what SE is trying to guard against. Also most MSQ encounters are designed so the party can recover if the tank dies but the healer is alive through a combination of fastcast rez and using a lot of mitigation CDs. SE is trying to put redundancy to a healer with increased agency to tank and DPS, which is what the pro-strikers are decrying.

Your remaining linchpin rebuttal point of "just do trusts" is ironic because pro-strikers in this thread also decry that Yoshi-P and forum users allegedly respond to pro-strikers' complaints with "just do ultimate." You are responding to my point with the "just do X" logic. In any event, SE is not going to assume every single player is either going to "get good" or just sit in trusts. I believe another person in this thread pointed out that SE seems to also be motivated by trying to police and remove negative player interaction as much as possible. Whether rightly or wrongly, this is the overarching policy decision they made. And the attitude like one of your pro-strikers with a moderated comment of "I don’t think healers need this redundancy. I think it’s fine they might get kicked if their bad gameplay prevents progress" is why SE cares about redundancy and not making healers a single point of failure where there is a possibility of interaction with other players (ex: Duty Finder).

My suggestion of giving an raise item to everyone usable in instances like a pheonix down is a potential alternative that would reduce the likelihood of negative player interaction. SE then may feel comfortable adding more complexity and increasing "stakes" for healers because there is more redundancy built in that inherently will also mitigate negative player reaction. More redundancy means less likelihood of one player/one role risking the entire DF group's progression and then being blamed.

[ZephyrMenodora]

The comment by one of the prostrikers that was deleted in the middle of page 598 was "I don’t think healers need this redundancy. I think it’s fine they might get kicked if their bad gameplay prevents progress."

That was me. Why you kept that comment is beyond me, but I just got tired of going back and forth with you. We had only healers and SMN and later Red Mage as our only rezzers since release. The fan base is fine. You are creating problems that do not exist and solutions that aren't necessary.

As an aside, you later said my comment was moderated - no, I deleted it as I was just tired of the pointlessness.

[Striker44]

That was me. Why you kept that comment is beyond me, but I just got tired of going back and forth with you.

Perhaps because it was revealing that a key argument the "strike" supporters try to dismiss as non-existent is being pushed by one of the very supporters themselves? It's one of those things referred to as a "smoking gun" piece of evidence - I think it's rather obvious why someone would keep it.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Perhaps because it was revealing that a key argument the "strike" supporters try to dismiss as non-existent is being pushed by one of the very supporters themselves? It's one of those things referred to as a "smoking gun" piece of evidence - I think it's rather obvious why someone would keep it.

ROFL. This isn't a trial or a piece of litigation, it's a very circular conversation about nothing. If you think that is a "smoking gun" in this thread, well, I'll keep my thoughts to myself as they are impolite.