PLD IS NOT BROKEN

[Aceofspades]

Ignoring the trolls, I will simply state that I never said war is the lesser of the tanks, but IMO , it truly is, when you take into consideration what a tank is primarly supposed to do, PLD simply dose it better. Dealing damage is not anywhere near my list of priorities. Only reason WAR is still a viable tank, is because SE continues to offer insentives for speed runs and has yet to offer a fight in wich endurance is the key to winning and not killing the boss fast. Once we face a boss in wich we simply can not zerg in 10 minutes or less and are forced to actually sit through a 30 minute or longer boss fight, then PLD will most certainly shine over WAR, fact is I have seen a THM tank Iffrit , Princess and Coincounter. Because A thm was able to tank these fights gives testament to its lack of being worthy as a true test of tank, as far as Chimera and Mistress go PLD is infact the safest tank, not the fastest, but certainly the safest, and that gose for any boss fight.

[Dzian]

You just need to practice your PLD a bit.

I've been called legendary at paladin by many people but please do elaborate. If you have genuinely awesome info that makes me a better paladin then I am genuinely interested to learn. but unless there's some secret ability that magically reduces all of my recast timers that I don't know about then I don't see how I can possibly generate significantly more emnity.

But as stated in my earlier post it is my favorite job so always interested in playing it better.

PLD is broken, but it isn't exactly impossible to do properly.

Quoted for truth. It's certainly not the case that maybe 9/10 people take a warrior just because noone knows how to play paladin. It's not rocket science.

[YuriSan]

I've been called legendary at paladin by many people

I laughed so hard at this statement i popped a muscle!!
Now I have to go to the doctor... thanks a lot dude!

Actually 9/10 people don't know how to play PLD because they aren't playing it, they are tanking on WAR.
It really isn't rocket science, peeps just don't do PLD often is all.

p.s: The opinion of the majority isn't relliable.

[Arcell]

Everything Paladin can do Warrior can do better, with the exception of self-heals. Did a test with a WAR friend, who could take hate, keep hate and survive longest while both trying to tank at the same time. We tried it on Great Buffalo since it's something that won't kill us instantly but will last long enough for us to determine this.

PLD started out with hate and kept it for a bit but WAR eventually overtook it. With Antagonize and Sentinel adding more enmity to every move, Vengeance dealing passive damage back, Provoke AND Flash and the Steel Cyclone combo every 30 seconds from the front they have way more enmity generation. Not to mention the fact that they just generally do more damage. And then we came to parry vs block. On Onrush (we just took it to see how the dmg mitigation was) the WAR partial parried and took 62 dmg, the PLD partial blocked and took 1968 damage. A full parry from War would have just reduced it to 0. Damage mitigation for WAR is far superior to damage mitigation on PLD. The Paladin did manage to stay alive a little bit longer though when both only had 1 WHM on them so that's something I guess.

Paladin is capable of tanking but it is far easier in just about every way on Warrior. Believe me, I actually would love for Paladin to be the preferable tank. I would love for Paladin to be THE tank over Warrior, especially since that's really the only thing Paladin can do. I would forsake Warrior and only tank on Paladin if they were equally viable and effective. It's just simply not the case.

[syntaxlies]

It is harder to tank with but it is far from broken. maybe less QQ and more learning how to effectivly play PLD. That being said, making Holy Succor an instant tp skill with a 30-45 second cool down (much like second wind for monk) would be about all I can think of that would be a resonable "fix" to pld. They are already addressing hate controll by increasing enmity +/- materia stats. Damage deflection is already through the roof, and PLD is the only tank that get the ablitiy to cast Stone Skin and IF your good enough you can apply stone skin before any unavoidable magic attack (typically aoe like hellfire). If combined with sentinal and rampart damage deflection is awsome. with all three buffs up and fire resist earrings (+14 fire resist) I take 500+ damage max. pop a cure right after hell fire (start when Iffrit begins hellfire) and i come out of that attack with 100% HP. same can be done for most magic attacks like hell fire, except for the fact that sentinal and rampart both have long cool downs. Reguardless, being able to pop stone skin before magic attacks is an enourmous buff. That being said I would still love to see some kind of magic def that comes with tank gear (cobalt, sentinal, darklight) make a come back. Dosent make sense if your archer has the same amount of magic defense as a well geared tank.

The irony is gonna make my head explode. Your title, pld is not broken, then you telling people to stop whining and QQ'ing, and finaly you giving a fix for pld, lol.


also pld is not the only tank that can cast SS, gladiator can too. Glad can also sanguine rite, second wind, feather foot, foresight ect.

[Phobos]

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People still don't get it?

[Orophin]

Arcell's post is spot on. OP, you're highly misinformed if you think Paladin isn't broken. When the community refuses to take one because Warrior can do everything better, there's a problem with the class. Yes, it is playable, but they have an HP pool that's 25% less, less damage which in turn means less enmity generation, and no noticeable difference in mitigation over the long term. Paladin needs a change in at least one of the three problem areas that I've mentioned above to be as effective as a Warrior.

[Deathgiver]

A lot of you are missing some really basic points when it comes to this topic.
1) How much enmity you generate PLD vs MRD is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is if you generate more hate than the DDs. Both tanks can do this well with all current content.
2) Survivability is also irrelevant. As long as you never drop below 1 hp you've survived as much as is necessary. Again btoth tanks can do this.
3) Speed actually makes most fights safer. It reduces the odds of the boss spamming hard hitting AOE attacks that can potentially cause wipes, number of time spawned adds, and allows your best DDs (MNK and BLM) to put up higher dps by finishing the fight before they run out of mp. This area is why War has such a big advantage.

Add to that the fact that a WAR actually becomes better as a tank the more damage they do through both hate management and self healing under Rampage and maybe you can understand why people might want some drastic changes.

[syntaxlies]

A lot of you are missing some really basic points when it comes to this topic.
1) How much enmity you generate PLD vs MRD is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is if you generate more hate than the DDs. Both tanks can do this well with all current content.
2) Survivability is also irrelevant. As long as you never drop below 1 hp you've survived as much as is necessary. Again btoth tanks can do this.
3) Speed actually makes most fights safer. It reduces the odds of the boss spamming hard hitting AOE attacks that can potentially cause wipes, number of time spawned adds, and allows your best DDs (MNK and BLM) to put up higher dps by finishing the fight before they run out of mp. This area is why War has such a big advantage.

Add to that the fact that a WAR actually becomes better as a tank the more damage they do through both hate management and self healing under Rampage and maybe you can understand why people might want some drastic changes.

your forgetting that pld does not live up to the ultimate tank concept that SE told us about.

[Gao]

p.s: The opinion of the majority isn't relliable.

Not trolling or anything but the opinion of the minority is more reliable <___<? I need an explanation here, I'm a bit slow on concepts like this! O_O

Oh nvm I got something <_<
How I see it is, Minority isn't any more or less reliable than the majority.

P.S Give people facts and they go "Ape shi*" with their class =/