PLD IS NOT BROKEN

[Bustercucumbers]

LOLS!! please do not talk to me about comparisons between war and pld, i have been doing comparisons since the jobs came out. and it basicly breaks down to this :

WAR = offensive tank, deals massive damage and is capable of minor HP conservation and slightly higher HP regeneration.

PLD = Deffensive tank, allthough it dose very little damage, It can generate ample hate through simple vokes, combos, and aoe buffs/heals. Capable of deflecting a much larger percentage of damage then its WAR counterpart as well as puting out more reliable and constant heals it is a much safer tank. When operated to its full potential , PLD can reduce the amount of healers needed in a party in order to allow for DPS focused jobs.

overall, WAR adds speed where saftey isnt a concern, and PLD add saftey where survival is a concern. that and WAR dose have better crowd controll making it optimal for tanking adds (like in the princess fight, or skeles on batrall) or possable PL situations. Both tanks have their perks and down sides, but when it comes to overall survivability (wich in my opinion is #1 on the list of shit tanks should be able to do) PLD is undoubtly the best tank in the game. If you are dieing before a WAR , get out of the AF gear add some def and vit. if you have already done this , learn to use your abilities wiser. PLD is capable of deflecting 100% of any type of damage taken, keeping MP moderatly full and HP moderatly full. Ofcourse you will never deflect 100% of the damage, but if your abilities are used correctly and not just spamed when ever you get the opertunity to button mash it, then PLD take FAR less damage then war. Not sure why this fact is even up for debate.

Wait...... what? Did you literally say you can deflect 100% of damage and then one second later say you will never deflect 100%?

[knite23]

Wait...... what? Did you literally say you can deflect 100% of damage and then one second later say you will never deflect 100%?

Nom nom nom look at this troll post nom nom nom the word was capable and its in reference to the abilities and skills used to mitigated damage

[Mijin]

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We brought every class except for Paladin for a majority of the attempts, but the final composition had the best synergy in the end.

every class except for Paladin

except for Paladin

I guess if they would have bought PLD they would have done much better right Ace? Prob needed more defense materia too.

[Aceofspades]

Wait...... what? Did you literally say you can deflect 100% of damage and then one second later say you will never deflect 100%?

troll, "PLD is capable of deflecting 100% of any type of damage taken" , Of course you will never deflect 100% of the damage taken. meaning between all our buffs we can deflect 100% of any particular attack magic or normal. but since these abilities have limits and cool downs we never deflect 100% of the total damage taken. take what I say out of context as much as you want, still just a troll.

[LCorvus]

troll, "PLD is capable of deflecting 100% of any type of damage taken" , Of course you will never deflect 100% of the damage taken. meaning between all our buffs we can deflect 100% of any particular attack magic or normal. but since these abilities have limits and cool downs we never deflect 100% of the total damage taken. take what I say out of context as much as you want, still just a troll.

Asking to see if I'm missing something really obvious on paladin >_<, not trolling so don't get defensive. :P

PLD is capable of fully deflecting (100%) of one direct physical attack, where are you getting the "any type of damage taken"? Unless I'm reading my skills wrong and not noticing I don't think I've ever deflected magic dmg or ranged attacks besides a plain "miss" which isn't part of a skill that sets that instance to be any different from another class getting a "miss". (Talking of Aegis Boon above, and not counting Hallowed Ground, but that is also only physical not ranged or magic?)

[Mijin]

PLD IS BROKEN

^Fixed that for you buddy.

Also... This is coming from a PLD that stacks triple meld DEF on his shield and body lmao. Common sense called, DEF sucks for boss fights. I'm betting you eat DEF food too, if you use food at all lol, and also, magic defense... ??? Really ???

I disagree and you're dumb

^I hate to say it but this pretty much says it all. You should talk less Ace... Much less...

[Daniel_Fury]

I just look at it this way.
Since people love cookie cutter ranged parties, WAR will forever be the best tank.
IF people decided "Oh hey, let's do some Melee setup's and add challenge to our stuff" you will find that, indeed, PLD is not broken.
Reason's why:
PLD heals others for better hate - You can't heal ranged, they sit too far away.
Divine Veil - A pretty good regen to keep melee in good top form (Love this during Ifrit.)
Rampart - Stronger when it hits more people. Better hate generation.
Defence Down - This does not benefit cookie cutter BLM setups.

When using close range strategies on bosses, PLD is better suited than warrior but since noone does that, warrior is better.

Take off your safety hard hats people and try it out. You'll be surprised.

[Mijin]

I just look at it this way.
Since people love cookie cutter ranged parties, WAR will forever be the best tank.
IF people decided "Oh hey, let's do some Melee setup's and add challenge to our stuff" you will find that, indeed, PLD is not broken.
Reason's why:
PLD heals others for better hate - You can't heal ranged, they sit too far away.
Divine Veil - A pretty good regen to keep melee in good top form (Love this during Ifrit.)
Rampart - Stronger when it hits more people. Better hate generation.
Defence Down - This does not benefit cookie cutter BLM setups.

When using close range strategies on bosses, PLD is better suited than warrior but since noone does that, warrior is better.

Take off your safety hard hats people and try it out. You'll be surprised.

I'd rather kill Ifrit in 6 or 7 min instead of 10 or 11, I'll stick with war. War hold hate way better anyway, no clue what you're talking about.

[YuriSan]

I'd rather kill Ifrit in 6 or 7 min instead of 10 or 11

I always tank Ifrit on PLD and we kill it in under 10 everytime easy

War hold hate way better anyway

We do Moogle fight with two tanks, I'm on PLD (kitting)
And off tank is on WAR to get Whiskerwall in Phase two.
Even tho WAR is starting with Collusion on a BRD's Barrage after a while i can take
Whiskerwall on me if i like to.
Don't forget the extra stats that come from a shield.
You can stack an additional 50+ DEF on it, Elemental res or even HP if u like too.
+10 ENM on the Thormoen's Purpose right there.


MNKs, BRDs and BLMs cant really hold a mog's hate for long from me.
By the end of phase one i usually have either all or most mobs flashing red on me .

In AV:
I am doing the poisonous rooms on PLD,
I have a macro which pops Divine Veil on me and right after pops a message in /p
telling to WHMs to throw a cure on me, POW! AoE regen on the whole pt without the need of Sacred Prism.
I help stoneskin and aoe cure in the two rooms with sacred prism alswell (My stoneskin is better than a WHM's because i have 359 VIT btw).
Also don't forget PLD can raise which is important aswell.
Not needing TP to perfor an AoE hate pulling skill is also key. Flash is instant and so is Wardrum,
If u pop aegis inside a clustered mob party that all hit u at the same time u will block instantly

In Coincounter:
I start with Sent + flash + voke, run to the tanking spot to aegis boom + war drum + phalanx + spirits within.
Then spam Flat blade combo.
If Coincounter swings i run through him towards the party and Rampart there while he is on his ass.
My full BLM party goes all out on him and i totally have control, never ever lose hate, no potions or nothing.
If things go wrong and i die i can pop hallowed ground after raised and i can run through the chaos to gain
hate control back on me. NOTHING can kill me no swings nor swipes .

And damagewise Rage of Halone, gorging blade and spirits within combo are just fine

It all depends on what each person preffers.

Yuri San tanks better on PLD and generally finds PLD more useful in a party. (not a soloing class for sure)

Anyway this is my last post here dudes. tired of this debate lol.. cheers.

[Dzian]

I always tank Ifrit on PLD and we kill it in under 10 everytime easy

If i tank on warrior ifrit's dead in 6-7. unless its one of those "pogo the ifrit" runs that happen once in a while. (jump jump jump jump some more)

We do Moogle fight with two tanks, I'm on PLD (kitting)
And off tank is on WAR to get Whiskerwall in Phase two..

If I moogle we take 1 warrior tank and he kites EVERYTHING in phase 2 (except whichever target the dds are aiming at)

there are times i'll take a second tank but that greatly depends on group experience.