Please nerf/adjust one of the new Expert Dungeons (7.0 spoilers)

[Thari]

I do Not get The people who want Harder dungeones... Dungeons are Casual content...for a lage audience... If you want Harder stuff there is savage and ultimate... I Just want to get my daylie done ASAP and braindead... And do hard Content in raids... Or give us better rewards in dungeones

[Basteala]

I do Not get The people who want Harder dungeones... Dungeons are Casual content...for a lage audience... If you want Harder stuff there is savage and ultimate... I Just want to get my daylie done ASAP and braindead... And do hard Content in raids... Or give us better rewards in dungeones

The problem I think is that dailies are used for so much. It's casual content, but it's also a midcore means of gearing--especially when relic quests call for a bunch of tomes. I think the optional dungeons being so much harder is a way to try and accommodate both.

The problem is that it makes Expert "now" fairly hard, while Expert (if they do it like DW) will be very "easy" later, as the MSQ quests for 6.3, 6.4, etc push out the ones we have now.

I think optional dungeons that are more difficult is a very good thing, and a good thing to have in roulettes, but I can't help but wonder if MSQ 100s should be put in "High Level Dungeons" and Expert made its own thing, where it's meant to be harder.

[Noitems]

The problem I think is that dailies are used for so much. It's casual content, but it's also a midcore means of gearing--especially when relic quests call for a bunch of tomes. I think the optional dungeons being so much harder is a way to try and accommodate both.

The problem is that it makes Expert "now" fairly hard, while Expert (if they do it like DW) will be very "easy" later, as the MSQ quests for 6.3, 6.4, etc push out the ones we have now.

I think optional dungeons that are more difficult is a very good thing, and a good thing to have in roulettes, but I can't help but wonder if MSQ 100s should be put in "High Level Dungeons" and Expert made its own thing, where it's meant to be harder.

Thank you for being someone who is actually willing to have a conversation about this issue.

I agree that the problem stems from rous being used for everything as the most convenient way for getting gear/tomes. That leads to a perception where we just accepted that they were always going to be around that difficulty.

As time moves on and more people unlock these dungeons it's also going to change the concept of how MSQ dungeons are going to be for people. SHB made every high level dungeon MSQ, if DT continues the same are we going to be having everything go through this same level of craziness for story completion? I assume Alexandria level difficulty would be the standard going forward which is just the right amount.

I will say looking through this thread people did bring up that we will eventually get better to gear that will help on the damage/time saving end. I will keep running this content and slowly work on improving each time, but I'm curious how MSQ progression will go if these dungeons become the new expert.


With these new ones in DT they really want to change that idea, which I'm all for, as it does make things more challenging and fun.

[Granyala]

I do Not get The people who want Harder dungeones... Dungeons are Casual content...for a lage audience... If you want Harder stuff there is savage and ultimate... I Just want to get my daylie done ASAP and braindead... And do hard Content in raids... Or give us better rewards in dungeones

It's actually pretty easy to "get":
Not everyone likes raiding, especially the organized, scheduled kind.

Small group content that can be done at the drop of a hat does have it's allure.
Dungeons don't have to be savage level, mind you. Criterion dungeons kinda were and those were not fun to play at all.

A return to what they were back in ARR would suffice for many of us.

[Canadane]

Criterion dungeons kinda were and those were not fun to play at all.

Strongly disagree with this one. I thought they were super fun and I'm looking forward to more.

As for the complaint about Dreadwalk, I recently just finished my first run and I really liked it. Most fun I've had in a while in a regular dungeon. I hope more are like this.

[LilyPendragon]

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Dungeons don't have to be savage level, mind you. Criterion dungeons kinda were and those were not fun to play at all.

Hit the nail on the head. If I want something savage level I'll uh... do savage. I don't wanna prog a dungeon, which is where Criterion dropped the ball. I just want something that's a bit more challenging than what we've had previously. So far the newer ones have definitely been a step up. Now all they need to do is get rid of the walls and all of the forced single pulls and they'll be peak.

[Tillie]

Skill issue

[Aword3213]

I do Not get The people who want Harder dungeones... Dungeons are Casual content...for a lage audience... If you want Harder stuff there is savage and ultimate... I Just want to get my daylie done ASAP and braindead... And do hard Content in raids... Or give us better rewards in dungeones

You can do Main Scenario Roulette instead.

[Nestama]

I do Not get The people who want Harder dungeones... Dungeons are Casual content...for a lage audience... If you want Harder stuff there is savage and ultimate... I Just want to get my daylie done ASAP and braindead... And do hard Content in raids... Or give us better rewards in dungeones

Because then we just get the same repetitive stuff that we got in the EW dungeons. Left/right, in/out, stack/spread, cleave AoE's aimed away from the party for some reason, the boss bouncing around from wall to wall (the blue water turtle man and antlion) and of course, bosses repeating the same attack twice just in case we didn't get it the first time.

That got old and is really boring (even for casual players who want to play a game), especially when we're doing those over and over.

[TsubameMikage]

I do Not get The people who want Harder dungeones... Dungeons are Casual content...for a lage audience... If you want Harder stuff there is savage and ultimate... I Just want to get my daylie done ASAP and braindead... And do hard Content in raids... Or give us better rewards in dungeones

Savage and Ultimate are not dungeons. They are constantly high-stress, unforgiving dances that last what feels like hours. Dungeons have an ebb and flow, with high stress and low stress moments that allows me not to be emotionally drained after 1-2 attempts. I also don't need to have to spend hours forming a group and relearning mechanics, or applying to a static (and dealing with that whole toxic subculture).