PCT: Holy in White / Comet in Black

[Raikai]

Yeah, noticed the button bloat instantly.

Also bit sad that continue with the fixed values for things. Why have a bar with 100 energy where the only way to give energy gives you exactly 25? Then the bar isn't 0-100 it's 0-4.

Make the amount of palette gauge vary between 20-30 and the white paint between 1-2.

Also at least merge hammer stamp into steel mouse. Ideally The motifs were merged with the mouses as well, making the cool down being shown at your resource bars instead.

It's so weird, they just don't want granularity when it comes to resource gains.

Like, each step of the RGB combo could give you some gauge like 0 / 10 / 15. You'd still end up with 25 per completed combo, but now you could micromanage the gauge better. It would make sense if the Subtractive pallete was a stance like it is in PVP.

[Kaedys]

For serious. Comet and Holy being separate buttons is super annoying. They do the same thing, fill the same rotational role, and cost the same resource. The only difference is the potency, animation, and recast timer. Zero reason to be separate buttons.

As for Fire and Blizzard, I suspect those are different because otherwise, the "spammable filler" portion of the rotation would just be slapping one button over and over. Now, imo, Picto has enough else going on with the Motifs and Muses and their followups that that's not really a problem, but I suspect that's why the devs kept them separate anyway.

While we're at it, can we get the AoE potencies adjusted? Unlike, afaik, every other job in the game, the AoE spammable fillers (Fire II and Blizzard II combos) aren't a DPS gain over the single target versions until FOUR targets, rather than three targets for most other jobs. Fire II and Blizzard II need to do a solid amount more potency, imo. Both combos would break even against 3 targets with their single target version if it had 20 more potency per attack, so probably need at least 30-40 added to each.

Agreed. Picked it up a bit over an hour ago and it just looked like artificial bloat for the sake of having more buttons on the bar. The Motif skills seem rather pointless too considering the skills they unlock already have a cooldown. The long cast time mid-battle while doing nothing doesn't feel that great either.

I suspect the long cast times on the Motifs are both for the "flavor" of painting something in combat, and to justify their astronomical potencies. The Creature Motif/Muse, for example, does an average of 1775 potency per usage, since it's 1100 per direct usage, and then every other one gets you a 1300 or 1400 followup (which averages to an extra 675 per usage), and all of that is off the GCD. If they didn't have that long prep, they'd either have to be on the GCD, have much much lower potency, or have something else metering their usage. Imagine if you could open an AoE pack with two back-to-back hammer combos plus 3 creature muses and a mog or madeen laser. That's 4600-4700p in oGCDs and 3720p in guaranteed direct crit GCDs in only 15 seconds. The 3s cast 4s recast motifs are there to keep the burst from the muses in check. And frankly, even with that, Picto has shockingly strong burst.

[blessedmulligan]

I agree that the current situation is bad, but would prefer it they did something like give comet a cast time and let you cast HiW while you have black paint stored. And let us stock black paint while we're at it. The UI shows a white paint being turned to black paint, why can't we turn multiple white paints into black paints at once?

[Blindheart]

If it helps, I setup Pict for PvP and all of those buttons appear to be combined for PvP. How well they work I have no idea since I suck at PvP and I lag out and die before the other players even load in to be able to target them.

I will say having separate buttons is good for learning the class, and having the option to combine/change later like they did for older classes skills that upgrade would be the best option.

I for the life of me cannot figure out Viper because all of the buttons are combined from the start. If I could separate them out until I learn what I am doing and them choose to combine would be ideal.

[NamazuFanatic]

The mitigation skills should just be separate with shared cooldowns, too. The cooldown between switching them feels so clunky.

[Atmaweapon510]

Nevermind, I just found out that once you get Monochrome tones, you're locked out of Holy until it's spent. That's incredibly weird since subtractive palette doesn't effectively lock you out of Holy until then.

[velswen]

I disagree. If all of what you suggested was changed, the class would be alternating between 2 buttons for most of their gameplay at level 100. That sucks and is bad.

[velswen]

The mitigation skills should just be separate with shared cooldowns, too. The cooldown between switching them feels so clunky.

You can change this right now. Go into your actions menu and click on their shield and click "action change settings" and you can change this however you like.

[Supersnow845]

Making them the same button is bad for optimization, you want to use Comet during burst windows while keeping Holy for movement.

Except you can’t use comet when you have holy up so you can’t hold comet while using holy, you either spend comet or you overwrite it with another comet which you also have to spend

[CasterSvarog]

Honestly after SMN consolidating all of its buttons down to literally a small handful of buttons, I’m fine with how parts of it are set up. Stuff like the Palettes I’m cool with how it’s set up and the Muses and Motifs are perfectly fine mechanically.
But Comet and Holy should definitely be on one button, especially because you can’t use Holy when you have comet.
However with the whole consolidation system in place I don’t see why they didn’t go through with it all anyway.