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  1. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tengi View Post
    I'm gay IRL and I just don't want venue and FC ads. You won't even know someone is using the filter anyway so it's not censorship really it's more like an ad block.
    Linus Tech Tips told me adblock is basically piracy. You're pirating shout chat.
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  2. #112
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    Quote Originally Posted by Losado View Post
    People like you are exactly why the chat filter should disable "LGBT" as an option.
    People like you are the reason why many are going to filter certain terms such as that one. The seek for constant, unwavering attention is repulsive, and people aren't afraid of speaking up against it anymore. Every single time someone disagrees with a snowflake who thinks they're owed whatever they want, is immediately met with insults; just take a look at the title of the thread. I'm going to filter as many of you snowflakes as I possibly can, I'm not going to tolerate being called stuff I'm not - I couldn't care less who you sleep with, unlike you.
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  3. #113
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    There's one simple solution: Accept that two seemingly different truths can very well co-exist peacefully at the same time.

    I can be gay, I've had the pleasure and privilege of growing up with a gay couple in my family, so to me it's just as normal as any other sexuality/gender identity and at the same time, I can be against any and all political agenda being shoved down my throat in modern media as well as the forced inclusion that companies and industries only profit from money-wise and reputation-wise not because all of them are good people at heart with the best of intentions in mind.

    I can have a preference for androgynous characters in real life and crossdressing activities in private rooms and, yet again, at the same time, I can be against people wearing maid dresses and other obviously (not subtly) hyper fetishized/sexualized clothing in an MMO because it breaks my immersion and I, for one, want to be able to take the story and my character seriously, not turning everything and everyone in a walking meme and/or a constant futile discussion about what's right and wrong, what's left and right.

    Guess what, I want to escape realism and dive into a fantasy a world, not meeting reality's self created woes and short-sighted, narrow-minded delusions that don't allow any grey shades between their black and white, you're-either-with-or-against-me world view. Which is, now that I'm thinking about it, kinda sadly funny and all the more contradictory as the essence of LGBTQ should be diversity, no? And here you are, slapping labels on everything and everyone, ever so quick at jumping to conclusions, pointing fingers, playing the victim and spouting terms like "toxic", "-phobic" - and the list goes on and on - you have no real interest in or understanding of because you're simply grasping for tools and weapons to wield to defend your oh so fragile egos. All while watering down said terms, stepping on the bodies of truly affected people and taking away the acknowledgement they would really need because of your petty protagonist syndrome.

    One last thing: Personally, I divide people in two categories only: asshole or no asshole, annoying behavior or appropriate behavior. I couldn't care less about your sexuality, your skin color, your origins or anything else for that matter. To me, the true acceptance lies in normalizing any and all variations, not by giving obtrusive spotlights and obnoxious mouthpieces. But if everyone is equal - which you claim to be your ultimate goal - no one can be a special snowflake anymore... What a pity.
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    Last edited by Angelivia; 06-28-2024 at 03:38 AM.

  4. #114
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelivia View Post
    There's one simple solution: Accept that two seemingly different truths can very well co-exist peacefully at the same time.
    Every world is defined by its particular boundaries, within which some understanding of reality emerges as truth. Two truths can not coexist, and so from the introduction of foreign bodies is conflict and chaos spawned.
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  5. #115
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    Justice and equity are worth fighting for. Ending oppression is worth fighting for. Making environments safe for people of all stripes is worth fighting for.

    But there's no benefit to be gained here. Preventing people from filtering out the term "LGBT" does not help the queer community, because the act of folks ignoring the term "LGBT" causes the queer community no harm. Is it unfortunate that it's happening, and does that suggest there are issues that need to be addressed? Absolutely. But it's a symptom of a problem, not the actual problem.

    And the unfortunate truth is that fighting against this not only doesn't help the queer community, but it actively harms them. Because by advocating to needlessly restrict people's behavior — which is innately oppressive — it makes the queer community seem more unwelcoming to people who oppose all oppression, while also painting the queer community in a bad light.

    There are a lot of important battles the queer community still needs to fight to be able to safely live our day-to-day lives. This is not one of them. When we fight meaningless battles, we waste time and energy that could be put to good use. So I encourage you to be thoughtful about picking and choosing your battles. To do so, make sure you can identify tangible harms; that's how you know you've found a problem. And when you've found a problem, be thoughtful in ensuring that your solutions don't simply redirect those harms in a different direction. It's hard work, but it's the work we need to put in if we want to truly end oppression.

    I'd like to think that this thread started as bait, and that may be the case. But on the off-chance that it's not, I hope this acts as helpful advice to OP and anyone else who could use it.
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    Last edited by LilimoLimomo; 06-28-2024 at 03:55 AM.

  6. #116
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    Quote Originally Posted by Immut View Post
    Every world is defined by its particular boundaries, within which some understanding of reality emerges as truth. Two truths can not coexist, and so from the introduction of foreign bodies is conflict and chaos spawned.
    Simple counter-example: If you flash your rolex watch in a rundown street at night and you're getting robbed, there are two truths at work here.
    One, being robbed is a crime and should be punished and no, it wasn't your fault but - second truth incoming - was it a good idea to act so careless? No, it wasn't.
    So it wasn't your fault but it was also not a good idea. People fear that kind of mindset because they feel much safer in a black and white environment.
    If everything is possible and two paradoxes can co-exist, how are they to judge and set boundaries? Well, things are getting more complicated for sure. But also a wider variety of people can get seen, heard and understood instead of being cancelled for one single misstep. Communication and staying open-minded and being willing to learn and evolve is key.
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  7. #117
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo View Post
    Justice and equity are worth fighting for. Ending oppression is worth fighting for. Making environments safe for people of all stripes is worth fighting for.

    But there's no benefit to be gained here. Preventing people from filtering out the term "LGBT" does not help the queer community, because the act of folks ignoring the term "LGBT" causes the queer community no harm. Is it unfortunate that it's happening, and does that suggest there are issues that need to be addressed? Absolutely. But it's a symptom of a problem, not the actual problem.

    And the unfortunate truth is that fighting against this not only doesn't help the queer community, but it actively harms them. Because by advocating to needlessly restrict people's behavior — which is innately oppressive — it makes the queer community seem more unwelcoming to people who oppose all oppression, while also painting the queer community in a bad light.

    There are a lot of important battles the queer community still needs to fight to be able to safely live our day-to-day lives. This is not one of them. When we fight meaningless battles, we waste time and energy that could be put to good use. So I encourage you to be thoughtful about picking and choosing your battles. To do so, make sure you can identify tangible harms; that's how you know you've found a problem. And when you've found a problem, be thoughtful in ensuring that your solutions don't simply redirect those harms in a different direction. It's hard work, but it's the work we need to put in if we want to truly end oppression.

    I'd like to think that this thread started as bait, and that may be the case. But on the off-chance that it's not, I hope this acts as helpful advice to OP and anyone else who could use it.
    Get help please.
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  8. 06-28-2024 03:59 AM

  9. #118
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    I'm not gonna use the chat filter much myself, but like, people are allowed to use it in anyway they see fit, the chat filter existing is a more net-positive for everybody than a net-negative due to the random chud who doesn't care for LGBT people much, and even then might just do it to avoid those annoying shoutchats, which I can't really blame them for.
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  10. #119
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora View Post
    What is your opinion on Dr. Disrespect?

    I see a lot of sPAM in support of him right now or fans looking the other way that would post the same types of things you just did.
    Still don't have enough information to make an informed opinion one way or another.

    One of two things have happened with his situation. Either Twitch told the proper authorities as they (even at the time) had Amazon money and lawyers, they (the cops) looked into it and found Doc did nothing wrong which would explain why there were no criminal charges against him from the state. Or two.... and this is the much worse thing that could have happened is Twitch didn't tell the police and it needs to be shut down yesterday.

    If I had to guess I would say it is option 1 where there was not enough (or any) criminal activity from Doc to the girl as california is one of the few states that pretty much has a 18 or older consent law, so while you may think he is a scummy and terrible human being there (in this instance) isn't enough to call him those names that destroy someone's life. THAT SAID, even before all this came out I didn't like him because he cheated on his partner. Doesn't really matter to me who with. Liked his online persona tho, pretty entertaining.
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  11. 06-28-2024 04:11 AM

  12. #120
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    Very well said. And helpfully, peacefully diplomatic, while shifting much needed attention to real issues. We need more people capable of differentiating and self-reflecting.

    Edit: Too dumb to quote properly, goes out to LilimoLimomo.
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