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  1. #41
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Marilith
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    What I think ended up happening actually is that they based the 6.4 balancing on the numbers from TOP, in which there's a commonly used exploit involving DRK where you kill yourself to be revived by the healer lb3spam for mp refills.

    The devs likely do not factor these sort of things in and only quickly look at numbers, as thats the easiest least effort thing to do, which would also explain why GNB got damage buffs.
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    Praesul Presul
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    Because you find them fun
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  3. #43
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    There was a lot of pushback from WAR players to do more damage around 6.2. That's around where a lot of the discussion around rDPS vs. aDPS started up in here as well. P8SP2 numbers were cited a lot, ignoring the fact that Everburn skews towards jobs with bigger burst.

    Standard operating procedure is:
    1) Lock yourself into better defensive/self-sustain actions at the start of an expansion. These will not change over the next three years. When asked: 'It was always this way/too angry to die.'
    2) When you realize that you've been penalized by 50 dps relative to everyone else during the first raid tier, start voicing complaints. When asked: 'A 50 dps disadvantage on a support job will lock you out of week 1 parties.'
    3) Come out ahead on defensives, sustain, and dps.

    The fact that we're already locked into #1 without any adjustments to the likes of Bloodwhetting or Holmgang doesn't bode well for the state of tanking in Dawntrail. If you have no interest in tanking on WAR, my recommendation is that you consider trying out a DPS subrole for the next expansion as a backup plan.
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    Last edited by Lyth; 06-19-2024 at 07:21 PM.

  4. #44
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    The Tank
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    Gungnir
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    Dark Knight Lv 63
    It isn't about "how", It is about "who".


    Any player can have an absurd request and eventually they will. But a professional job designer with good judgement and a proper mmorpg game producer wouldn't play along.
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  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by Praesul View Post
    Because you find them fun
    Funny how that logic didn't apply when Warrior wasn't the best solution to every problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    There was a lot of pushback from WAR players to do more damage around 4.2. That's around where a lot of the discussion around rDPS vs. aDPS started up in here as well. P8SP2 numbers were cited a lot, ignoring the fact that Everburn skews towards jobs with bigger burst.

    Standard operating procedure is:
    1) Lock yourself into better defensive/self-sustain actions at the start of an expansion. These will not change over the next three years. When asked: 'It was always this way/too angry to die.'
    2) When you realize that you've been penalized by 50 dps relative to everyone else during the first raid tier, start voicing complaints. When asked: 'A 50 dps disadvantage on a support job will lock you out of week 1 parties.'
    3) Come out ahead on defensives, sustain, and dps.

    The fact that we're already locked into #1 without any adjustments to the likes of Bloodwhetting or Holmgang doesn't bode well for the state of tanking in Dawntrail. If you have no interest in tanking on WAR, my recommendation is that you consider trying out a DPS subrole for the next expansion as a backup plan.
    I won't be tanking again any time soon.
    Let the War players deal with the pf and queue times.
    Let them compete with each other, i'm done with the preferential treatment they get and being told to be content with a direct downgrade so they can feel good about themselves.
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    Last edited by GoatOfWar; 06-19-2024 at 06:27 PM.

  7. #47
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    Healer's situation may change but Tank's situation won't change because the only tank group that would do a strike or real protest are WAR.
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  8. #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_User View Post
    Healer's situation may change but Tank's situation won't change because the only tank group that would do a strike or real protest are WAR.
    I'm well aware.
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  9. #49
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    Ah let just continue our megathread ritual and switch to dps or play other tank and let Healers do the real work.


    If "insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and hope thing would change" is real then how one described what the DRK main have been doing for half a decade?
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by The_User View Post
    Ah let just continue our megathread ritual and switch to dps or play other tank and let Healers do the real work.


    If "insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and hope thing would change" is real then how one described what the DRK main have been doing for half a decade?
    DRK is do more gain less.. WAR is do less gain more
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