Robbing gap closers of damage makes the game even less fun.

[Kuroka]

It never was bloat, if you only play for number and optimization, sure... but it is FUN. Its satisfying to make an Pull and grab that outer left mob with the first jump and then jump back to another one.

If you remove all "bloat" we only need attack, buff, shield, long CD attack...

And dont tell me it wasnt fun to finish that last % of an mob or Boss with it.

[Siritachi31]

If they're going to change gap closers to be non damaging did they need to make the same one for like 3 classes? They literally robbed DRG of a JUMP and replaced it with a dash. If Yoshi P is really thinking of job identity in 8.0 why are we losing a jump now? Just remove the damage off spineshatter and leave it it. Same with Rough Divide. We literally are losing one of Squall's limit breaks even though we get lion heart so they know about these things. Just take the damage off and we're good to go. I think alot of people would be more acceptable if we weren't watching our jobs become homogonized. Especially cause we're losing alot of the flair of our moves in place of a dash everyone has now. Make it make sense

[GoatOfWar]

If they're going to change gap closers to be non damaging did they need to make the same one for like 3 classes? They literally robbed DRG of a JUMP and replaced it with a dash. If Yoshi P is really thinking of job identity in 8.0 why are we losing a jump now? Just remove the damage off spineshatter and leave it it. Same with Rough Divide. We literally are losing one of Squall's limit breaks even though we get lion heart so they know about these things. Just take the damage off and we're good to go. I think alot of people would be more acceptable if we weren't watching our jobs become homogonized. Especially cause we're losing alot of the flair of our moves in place of a dash everyone has now. Make it make sense

I think it just shows how little they care for job design in general.
They went ''Yeah here's a useless dash, let's replace all the gapclosers with it so we don't have to make new animations''
Iit's going to be nearly completely useless, because this game hardly has any melee downtime mechanics where you want to gapclose over the span of 10 years of encounter design.
Gapclosers are just relegated to being button bloat going forward.

[GoatOfWar]

It never was bloat, if you only play for number and optimization, sure... but it is FUN. Its satisfying to make an Pull and grab that outer left mob with the first jump and then jump back to another one.

If you remove all "bloat" we only need attack, buff, shield, long CD attack...

And dont tell me it wasnt fun to finish that last % of an mob or Boss with it.

What do you mean by ''grab'' with your gapcloser? You won't have the potency to keep the aggro.
You don't need your gapcloser to pull anyways. Button bloat is button bloat.
Plunge is actually used a couple dosen times in an encounter, shadowstride won't have any use in 90% of this game's encounters.
And where it will have a use, you won't use it more than twice.
I hope they'll remove it to make room for actually useful abilities instead.

[Shurrikhan]

What do you mean by ''grab'' with your gapcloser? You won't have the potency to keep the aggro.
You don't need your gapcloser to pull anyways.

They're clearly not talking about raids, as there was a second enemy mentioned, and that's a wee bit too complicated for post-A2 FFXIV.

[GoatOfWar]

They're clearly not talking about raids, as there was a second enemy mentioned, and that's a wee bit too complicated for post-A2 FFXIV.

I gathered that he was talking about add phases or trash pulls, but the point still stands.
Gap closing to an enemy and then back into the AoE doesn't do anything, because you *literally* can't pull trash mobs with it as it doesn't carry any potency with it.

[seolhyun]

yoshi-p says he thinks they homogenized too much, but at the same time takes away a drg DIVE for another dash??? makes no sense to me.

[Shurrikhan]

I gathered that he was talking about add phases or trash pulls, but the point still stands.
Gap closing to an enemy and then back into the AoE doesn't do anything, because you *literally* can't pull trash mobs with it as it doesn't carry any potency with it.

Again, they were referring to it as it is now, with the damage. Can't have a "never was bloat" on a future change.

[GoatOfWar]

Again, they were referring to it as it is now, with the damage. Can't have a "never was bloat" on a future change.

I'm guessing there was a miscommunication there then.

[Pavise]

Honestly gap closers doing no damage, or being on a short cooldown and being potency neutral with your job gauge (SAM) is how it should be for everyone, afaik the ones not changed as of the media tour build are WAR/PLD/SAM/RDM.

I get SAM, since it's a 10s CD that's potency Neutral with their dump so it's not something they weaved in rarely ever in their main burst window, I get RDM where it's actually the way to start their melee combo if they're not already in melee range and enhances the gameplay feel of RDM.

But WAR and PLD? Both of these keeping the damage on their gap closers is a bit annoying as they're still stuck in the same horrible mindset of "this is damage, not gap closer".

Unique animations should've been kept for each changed gapcloser as well, DRG dashing to their target instead of jumping is a bit silly.