Give Warrior the Dark Knight treatment in regards to Bloodwhetting

[Praesul]

So if the WAR doesn't selfheal, and healers don't heal the WAR, how do you imagine the WAR stays alive during any boss fight? And are you saying it would be fine for WAR to lose all selfhealing then? Since it's not needed anyway.

Please read carefully.

Healer oGCDs are so powerful you can do an entire savage tier without a single GCD heal, or minimal GCD healing.

Healers are already barely healing, or doing the least amount of healing possible. You could remove all self-healing from ALL tanks, and this would not change. It's an encounter design problem, and not a WAR problem.

The solution is not to take self-healing from other roles, but to instead design encounters so that healers have to heal more.

It's really, really not that hard to understand.

[Absurdity]

Please read carefully.



Healers are already barely healing, or doing the least amount of healing possible. You could remove all self-healing from ALL tanks, and this would not change. It's an encounter design problem, and not a WAR problem.

The solution is not to take self-healing from other roles, but to instead design encounters so that healers have to heal more.

It's really, really not that hard to understand.

While I would agree that the tank self-sustain in Endwalker is less of an issue in savage, adding even more sustain and mitigation on top with 7.0 is certainly not a solution.
At some point no amount of increase in incoming damage is going to counteract the unnecessary amounts of self-heal we have, especially healing with 0 tradeoffs which just makes them completely free.

[Praesul]

While I would agree that the tank self-sustain in Endwalker is less of an issue in savage, adding even more sustain and mitigation on top with 7.0 is certainly not a solution.
At some point no amount of increase in incoming damage is going to counteract the unnecessary amounts of self-heal we have, especially healing with 0 tradeoffs which just makes them completely free.

Other games in the genre have no issue balancing increasing player power with encounters, why should this game be different? If you give players something powerful, create reasons for players to HAVE to use them or they fail, rather than the baseline difficulty staying the same while players get stronger.

[rawker]

So should raids begin with a permanent dot to everyone so healers get to heal more?

[GoatOfWar]

Other games in the genre have no issue balancing increasing player power with encounters, why should this game be different? If you give players something powerful, create reasons for players to HAVE to use them or they fail, rather than the baseline difficulty staying the same while players get stronger.

The funny thing about that approach is you'll just end up pressuring people to only take the jobs with the highest throughputs, which will lead to further homogenisation later down the road.
I think tanks just need nerfs at this stage.

[Lyth]

It's really hard to take you seriously when you insist on blaming WAR players for the dev's choices to homogenize all jobs.

I mean, they technically can.

WAR is the standard every other job should live up to. Being well designed is what makes it strong. WAR doesn't have any useless skills, so of course it's going to be better than the ones that have skillslots wasted on trash like Cover and Tempered Will, or duplicate skills like Abyssal Drain, or procs that pidgeonhole them into the MT role instead of letting them work anywhere. DRK and PLD are pretty far from being well designed, and the patch/expansion where they nerf WAR instead of fixing PLD's/DRK's flaws (and you can fix those flaws while still leaving weaknesses, WAR has some) is the patch/expansion where I quit tanking.

[GoatOfWar]

I mean, they technically can.

Not just technically, it's objectively.
The thing is, War players currently don't really have a lot to complain about when no tank does anything better than War.
I suspect we'll see them crawl out of the woodworks again in Dawntrail.

[StrangeIove]

I agree with this, DRK feels like a relic compared to the other jobs when it comes to their short CD (TBN).

[fulminating]

I mean, they technically can.

This post is from 2016.

[Lyth]

I know. Some things never change.