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  1. #31
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    Flay_wind's Avatar
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    Lily D'kryl
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    Shiva
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    Dark Knight Lv 97
    Tanks got even more sustain they do not need, DPS got their reactionary healing buffed. Healers got even more heal buttons they won't use. All is well. /s
    As an aside. Got Dead Ends with DRK tank in a roulette yesterday. That was one of the few times, where i enjoyed healing a while, where i legit used most of my healing buttons. Like that's how dungeons should be.
    Instead you get WARs who just invalidate your whole kit and in DT WARs are going to do it even more.
    (12)
    Sometimes rumors are just... rumors.

  2. #32
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    CKNovel's Avatar
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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ASkellington View Post
    What do I need assistance with? Do you know how many healing tools I have? Do you know half of them, legit HALF OF THEM cost 0 mana?

    Come Dawntrail, I will have 3 charges of Essential Dignity, 2 charges of Celestial Intersection, A. Benefic, Benefic 1 + 2, Exaltation, and HALF OF MY CARDS, to heal/mitigate with. And that's just single target.

    I do not NEED a tank's help to heal ANYTHING. I don't even want it. In fact, I'd rather every tank and dps (excluding RDM) to be STRIPPED of all their healing so I MAYBE can be worth a damn.
    My healers liked it when raiding endgame content.
    They liked how reliable my healing were, how I could support them in case of high damages, how even if they made a blunder I could try to help them.

    No one screams at me for DPSing.
    I scream at no one for mitigating.
    Why should healing be different?
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  3. #33
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    My healers liked it when raiding endgame content.
    They liked how reliable my healing were, how I could support them in case of high damages, how even if they made a blunder I could try to help them.

    No one screams at me for DPSing.
    I scream at no one for mitigating.
    Why should healing be different?
    So functionally your healers appreciate the ability to be lazy because you are doing your job for you

    There is no “equitable assistance” in optimal tank mitigation doing the healers job for them. Of course the healer is going to prefer the tank use a free oGCD compared to the healer using a GCD heal, that doesn’t mean it should have ever been designed that way because there is no balance
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    Last edited by Supersnow845; 06-07-2024 at 07:18 PM.

  4. #34
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    MikoRemi's Avatar
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    Miko Remi
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    Gilgamesh
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    My healers liked it when raiding endgame content.
    They liked how reliable my healing were, how I could support them in case of high damages, how even if they made a blunder I could try to help them.

    No one screams at me for DPSing.
    I scream at no one for mitigating.
    Why should healing be different?
    Even now you're still one of the few that gets it. In endgame content, it's quite handy to have good heals when things actually hurt, and even in lower content, just means less stress and more of the power fantasy as a Warrior. Nobody really tends to understand though when the whole party gets reduced to 1HP and has to heal back pretty quickly, sure I could do it for me...but kinda need help with the party which is just fine.

    It's fine though, the one's screaming for nerfs will just have to continue to be disappointed~. I'd hope that healers can at least have more damage buttons though but that's for the Healer Roles.
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  5. #35
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    Commander_Justitia's Avatar
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    Ash Primordial
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    Phoenix
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    Paladin Lv 90
    can we give tanks more aoe heal so we don't need healers anymore?
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  6. #36
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia View Post
    can we give tanks more aoe heal so we don't need healers anymore?
    This is why the whole “it reduces stress so it’s good” argument falls apart

    PLD could get a level 110 skill that was AOE limitless hallowed ground and it would “reduce stress” at the end of the day there is some measure of stress that comes with playing a game

    If you want a stress less experience that’s what animal crossing is for
    (4)
    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  7. #37
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    Miko Remi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia View Post
    can we give tanks more aoe heal so we don't need healers anymore?
    Only if it comes with a free Warden's Paean, kekw.
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  8. #38
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    Launched's Avatar
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    Rys Sol
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    Omega
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MikoRemi View Post
    Only if it comes with a free Warden's Paean, kekw.
    Shake it Off should have been upgraded with an aoe Warden's Paean this expansion.
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  9. #39
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Marilith
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia View Post
    can we give tanks more aoe heal so we don't need healers anymore?
    Healers are already non-optimal for almost all dungeon content outside of the few boses that can rack up raidwide damage that outpaces NF/Intervention.
    I also have a strong hunch that with the Shadow Wall Excog, Rampart Heal Buff and a longer Reprisal that even DRK and 3 dps will be possible and faster than a healer in the comp
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  10. #40
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Tanks don’t remotely need the sustain they have in EW but hey what the hell, tanks fun is worth deleting the healers
    As if those changes actually make our gameplay more fun.
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