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    Quote Originally Posted by Aco505 View Post
    The opposite. We will have the same or more weaves than now, particularly due to the potency changes to FT/HT and the 5th GCD Drakesbane (DB), although of course potencies can be adjusted. Curious choice they made. The job is quite similar but some things were removed just because (e. g. the gauge).

    The filler will be less involved, as expected, but the burst will be stronger, especially at 1-minute.

    They did not go through with literally most of what they said. It's quite strange.
    I think for the new 2-min window, DRG will have the following OGCDs removed:
    1. Dragon Sight
    2. Spineshatter Dive *2
    3. Nastrond*2 (Right now, you can use it 3 times for every life widow. In DT, you can only use it once per life window)
    The following OGCDs will be added during the 2-min window:
    1. Rise of the dragon
    2. Starcross

    In total, DRG will have a net loss of 3 OGCD usage for every 2-minute burs in DT. (Or 2 if you count only the 20s duration of most buffs, as 1 of the Nastrond is outside of the 20s buff window right now)

    Please let me know if I miscounted something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_R View Post
    From MrHappy's video, E.Dosis and E.Dyskrasia do stack and E.Dyskrasia is stronger than Dosis. Of course, subject to change.
    Ahh, so now they're giving Sage what they took from Scholar. Of course they did, why wouldn't they? Can't let the original two DoT healer have two DoTs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost1800 View Post
    I think for the new 2-min window, DRG will have the following OGCDs removed:
    1. Dragon Sight
    2. Spineshatter Dive *2
    3. Nastrond*2 (Right now, you can use it 3 times for every life widow. In DT, you can only use it once per life window)
    The following OGCDs will be added during the 2-min window:
    1. Rise of the dragon
    2. Starcross

    In total, DRG will have a net loss of 3 OGCD usage for every 2-minute burs in DT. (Or 2 if you count only the 20s duration of most buffs, as 1 of the Nastrond is outside of the 20s buff window right now)

    Please let me know if I miscounted something.
    You will still get 3 Nastronds in the life window as they have a 2 second cooldown but you get a buff that allows their use, which stacks to 3. The only oGCD you are effectively losing is Dragon Sight.
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    Is picto released yet?????
    I need picto to be released right now! QQ
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    ~sigh~

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    Will be interesting to see how many improved scholar skills I'll actually be able to use when the tanks got even more buff and self-sustaining than they already are.
    Time to embrace the broil mage!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost1800 View Post
    I think for the new 2-min window, DRG will have the following OGCDs removed:
    1. Dragon Sight
    2. Spineshatter Dive *2
    3. Nastrond*2 (Right now, you can use it 3 times for every life widow. In DT, you can only use it once per life window)
    The following OGCDs will be added during the 2-min window:
    1. Rise of the dragon
    2. Starcross

    In total, DRG will have a net loss of 3 OGCD usage for every 2-minute burs in DT. (Or 2 if you count only the 20s duration of most buffs, as 1 of the Nastrond is outside of the 20s buff window right now)

    Please let me know if I miscounted something.
    Entering LotD grants you 3 stacks of Nastrond with a 2s cooldown. This is one of the most curious changes they made although the consequence is that LotD is basically an oGCD Enshroud phase now but without the ability to end it.

    The two SSD removed are simply the new oGCD follow ups. These two facts alone make the weaving neutral in 120s bursts.

    However, you also want to try and enter all 2-m windows with 2 LS charges due to the potency changes I mentioned earlier, whereas before it wasn't that impactful if you missed one. Ideally, you'd also use 2 WWT but this isn't always possible.

    This might also mean going back to the issue of having difficulty to weave True North, Sprint or Feint during 120s bursts.

    The job is as busy or busier than EW, which I personally enjoy. The 60s windows are also more involved and practically equal to 120s ones.

    What I do not think is a good change is making the filler more boring and removing gauge elements. Mirage Dive could give one scale at least so that there's some interaction. As many of us thought, actions just deal damage and the kit feels disconnected with the exception of GSK, LS and WWT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_R View Post
    You will still get 3 Nastronds in the life window as they have a 2 second cooldown but you get a buff that allows their use, which stacks to 3. The only oGCD you are effectively losing is Dragon Sight.
    The description of Nastrond has been changed from "Can only be executed while under the effect of Life of the Dragon." to "Can only be executed while Nastrond ready."
    If you read the tooltip of Geirskogul, it says Grants Nastrond ready. (No mention of stacks) Hence, you will only be able to use Nastrond once every life window now. ( Please also see edit below)
    Also, DRG is losing Spineshatter Dive. The winged glide that replaces it has no potency.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aco505 View Post
    Entering LotD grants you 3 stacks of Nastrond with a 2s cooldown. This is one of the most curious changes they made although the consequence is that LotD is basically an oGCD Enshroud phase now but without the ability to end it.

    The two SSD removed are simply the new oGCD follow ups. These two facts alone make the weaving neutral in 120s bursts.

    However, you also want to try and enter all 2-m windows with 2 LS charges due to the potency changes I mentioned earlier, whereas before it wasn't that impactful if you missed one. Ideally, you'd also use 2 WWT but this isn't always possible.

    This might also mean going back to the issue of having difficulty to weave True North, Sprint or Feint during 120s bursts.

    The job is as busy or busier than EW, which I personally enjoy. The 60s windows are also more involved and practically equal to 120s ones.

    What I do not think is a good change is making the filler more boring and removing gauge elements. Mirage Dive could give one scale at least so that there's some interaction. As many of us thought, actions just deal damage and the kit feels disconnected with the exception of GSK, LS and WWT.
    Edit:
    Now both of you are mentioning 3 stacks for Nastrond, maybe it was there and it was missed from the tooltip?

    For LS, surges, while you do want to have 2 charges now, I agree the change of potency would make it more important to have it in DT.
    For, WWT, I think it is the same as it is now. As DRG has the same rigorous rotation, it would be like if it fits it fits.
    I suppose, overall it would be OGCD natural compared to right now, with more emphasis on having 2 LCs.

    For the removal of interactions between HJ->Mirage Dive-> Life. I suppose it would make fight-specific optimization easier/shallower, i.e. no more starting the fight with HJ for an extra eye in DSR. Whether one likes it depends on how much one likes fight-specific optimization, I suppose. I would reserve my judgment on this matter until I see more of the instance design in DT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frost1800 View Post
    The description of Nastrond has been changed from "Can only be executed while under the effect of Life of the Dragon." to "Can only be executed while Nastrond ready."
    If you read the tooltip of Geirskogul, it says Grants Nastrond ready. (No mention of stacks) Hence, you will only be able to use Nastrond once every life window now.
    Also, DRG is losing Spineshatter Dive. The winged glide that replace it has no potency.
    I got my info from watching MrHappy's video, you do get stacks.

    Dragon Fire Dive gets a followup called Rise of the Dragon and Stardiver gets a followup called Starcross.So, if anything, you have the same number of oGCDs, with Dragon Sight getting replaced by a Nastrond and your 2 SSD being replaced by RotD and Star Cross.

    Looking at the info graphics, the 3 stacks of Nastrond are mentioned in the level 70 trait for Life of the Dragon.
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    You can check the tooltips here: https://gamerescape.com/2024/06/06/f...-with-dragoon/

    The 3 stacks are mentioned in the Life of the Dragon trait at level 70.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_R View Post
    I got my info from watching MrHappy's video, you do get stacks.

    Dragon Fire Dive gets a followup called Rise of the Dragon and Stardiver gets a followup called Starcross.So, if anything, you have the same number of oGCDs, with Dragon Sight getting replaced by a Nastrond and your 2 SSD being replaced by RotD and Star Cross.

    Looking at the info graphics, the 3 stacks of Nastrond are mentioned in the level 70 trait for Life of the Dragon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aco505 View Post
    You can check the tooltips here: https://gamerescape.com/2024/06/06/f...-with-dragoon/

    The 3 stacks are mentioned in the Life of the Dragon trait at level 70.
    I see. Thanks for the info, I clearly missed this part.
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