With Activision and Bungies recent wins against cheat providers it is time SE's

[Graveyardprincess]

Yeah I'm not sure you know how gear mods work, people that use mare don't farm or buy a -redacted- thing because they can just put it on their character anyway.

People that have no choice but to farm the gear for glam are the ones that spend money on the store. Try again.

Most people with gear mods are modding it to things that A. SE REfuses to add, and B. NSFW weapon armors.... Noone is going in and modding a weathered short sword to a relic weapon what people are using mods for example is Lets say i'm playing an archer and I want a skeleton bow, are maybe a cross bow then Ill go in and mod it to have that said thing, Maybe im angry at se for not giving me Leviathan well i go in change bahamut to levi.


Noone is glaming and using mods for something like that, in just about every game with mods noone is using it for something that exist in the game already we use it for things the game doesnt have or refuses to have.


Mages are good example of this, Almost every single piece of gear in the game for a mage is just another robe/skirt with really no creativity between the stages..

Maybe instend of banning mods se should pay mod makers for their creations to be added into base line game

not even counting some of them give in new things that we have 0% of such as nose piercings, belly button etc.


Beside the so called things to be "worked for in the game look like pure garbage noone wants that other than a few ppl who want to brag lol

[Azureskies01]

Can you expand a bit on those insight?

How much money does an average person spend in the store? And how much does that differ between people who do or don't use cosmetic mods?

And adding some more specific metrics would be nice. How likely is a person that cares a lot about their the looks of character to dable in cosmetic mods, compared to a person that doesn't care as much? How often does an person that cares a lot about the looks of their character also care about how others perceive that character, compared to people who don't care as much about the looks of their character? How would that impact store purchases of glams?

Read about how textools or penumbra allows you to change your character's gear and then you just use mare to sync it to others once you give them a code. You literally can change any gear into any other piece of gear, no farming needed. You can do a lot more than that as well. To say that people that use body/gear mods spend any amount of money on the game is just -redacted-. Why spend money on something when you could just make or download a tool that allows you to be in any gear you want?

My god I fell for it again, trying to explain to someone that doesnt care to learn how something works. ya'll bots need to chill.

[aiqa]

Read about how textools or penumbra allows you to change your character's gear and then you just use mare to sync it to others once you give them a code. You literally can change any gear into any other piece of gear, no farming needed. You can do a lot more than that as well. To say that people that use body/gear mods spend any amount of money on the game is just -redacted-. Why spend money on something when you could just make or download a tool that allows you to be in any gear you want?

My god I fell for it again, trying to explain to someone that doesnt care to learn how something works. ya'll bots need to chill.

That was indeed not what I asked about. But I am sure someone else will find that all very interesting. You forgot to provide the numbers though.

[Azureskies01]

That was indeed not what I asked about. But I am sure someone else will find that all very interesting. You forgot to provide the numbers though.

What you asked is something that no one on these forums can provide (well maybe on the JP side they can i suppose). Your question is flawed and doesn't stand to the simplest tests of logic, you should probably work on that. However I will ask you a question. If someone is already willing to cheat in a game to get something they feel they want, what is stopping this person from just skipping the mog station or content altogether and making/downloading a mod that will provide the same thing to them?

[Vallerie]

Yeah I'm not sure you know how gear mods work, people that use mare don't farm or buy a -redacted- thing because they can just put it on their character anyway.

People that have no choice but to farm the gear for glam are the ones that spend money on the store. Try again.

They can do that, yes, but as I said, they do tend to also care how they look to non-modders and have extensive vanilla gear collections. Main utility of glamourer is to put on things you can't normally.
You can see the sentiment shared pretty publicly in modding circles.


Edit: Like, this is a social game, obviously people who care about how they look enough to mod don't just stop caring about how they look to everyone.

[ZoeEudestand]

Maybe if the combat system didn't run like crap outside of Japan and the devs didn't make excuses for every QoL issue that a mod has already solved (that the devs then implement way later themselves) and the character creation wasn't so crusty, dated and limited then the people wouldn't mod so much but y'know. Id focus on the actual cheating (telehack, speed, botting, breaking the GCD hardcap etc) instead of barking about cosmetics and QoL. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Average trolling 6/10 for effort 2/10 for content, i bumped you up 1 point for saying you're smarter than everyone else.

[Akonyl]

Tell me you know nothing about how the legal system works without telling me you know nothing about how the legal system works.

These two cases were just won by these companies. It now makes it MUCH easier to win for other companies to go after cheat software providers/distributors. In the Bungie case it deals more with IP tampering so this could also effect games that don't allow mods in their ToS such as Street Fighter 6 or of course XIV. Anything that changes the IP of the game is now illegal and thanks to the jury the precedent is set. All SE would have to do is prove that it is happening, send a S&D, then sue the living **** out of the people behind the mod programs for infringing on their IP. Sure it might be a slight oversimplification of course but one that most of the big gaming publishers have done at some point or another. Plus there is nintendo out there suing everyone for even mentioning mario.

Not really the point they're making there. There's two ways to punish cheaters: banning them from the game, and legally taking action. These companies just won the ability to take legal action against these cheaters and so now there's precedent, but they were already banning those cheaters before that. They always had the power to do that, under the EULA of their games.

SE though has let cheaters run fairly wild in-game with only occasional light slaps on the wrist. It takes no time to find parties advertising the use of third party tools in ultimate party finder to solve mechanics, because nobody gets in trouble for it.

If a company isn't even going to put forth the work to ban cheaters like that, which they easily could, they're definitely not gonna put forth the effort into pursing legal action.

Or, going back to his example: None of the billboard people got in trouble. Not talking legal trouble, but I'm pretty sure they all have their accounts, unbanned. SE could have made an example of them, going "hey, we'll ban you likethese guys if you keep parading mods around like this, we don't like it", but they chose not to. No reason to think they're going to take the 100x extra effort to go for legal action, even now that they have the precedent, if they're not even banning the people in the first place.

[aiqa]

What you asked is something that no one on these forums can provide (well maybe on the JP side they can i suppose). Your question is flawed and doesn't stand to the simplest tests of logic, you should probably work on that. However I will ask you a question. If someone is already willing to cheat in a game to get something they feel they want, what is stopping this person from just skipping the mog station or content altogether and making/downloading a mod that will provide the same thing to them?

So you are telling me you are making these claims without a single shred of evidence? It is all just assumptions and conjecture? That is such a surprise, I am at a loss for words. You seemed so certain, and it even corroborated your claims, accusations and personal attacks on your fellow players so well.

[Toutatis]

I don’t use them but I really don’t care unless it’s pvp or a world first (for the latter at least have the decency of being honest). Otherwise, it has zero effect on me.

When it cone to cosmetic mods in particular why would anyone care if someone wants to alter the look of their character and what they see on their own screen? It’s inconsequential.

legal team get in on the money tree and get their millions that they deserve.

different countries, different legislation. Someone might get pissed and institute a privacy based lawsuit too.

[Somnolence]

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In addition to QoL, running the game in SteamDeck/other Linuxes would not be possible with anti-cheat at all.

I believe non-standard launcher is also used in these platforms since standard one has stability issues under Proton.