Robbing gap closers of damage makes the game even less fun.

[TKMXIV]

I never once thought of Spineshatter Dive as a gap closer until now. I saw it as just a jump attack. Same as Dragonfire Dive and Stardiver.
So, from my point of view all Dawntrail has done is take away an attack I used and replace it with a dash I don't need.
Could I keep Spineshatter Dive and trade this dash in for a 2nd charge of Dragonfire Dive? Jumping is fun and I want to do it more.

[Lyth]

Meleewalker

Sounds like melee are gap closing, not walking.

Uptime tools being used to actually maintain uptime sounds all above board to me.

[mallleable]

Yes, gap closers should be used for their intended purpose, and not for damage, but I do think there is a place in the game for attacks that are there for damage, but force your character to move, and into potentially risky positions. They're a simple concept that flips the caster script that could provide different challenges to overcome for players.

[Asari5]

oh no i cant reach the perfect parse if i use that dmg ability as a gap closer, how awful

[sindriiisgaming]

I think dawntrail isn't gona be a fun 1 tbh.

[CKNovel]

oh no i cant reach the perfect parse if i use that dmg ability as a gap closer, how awful

More like:
"Oh no, we missed the very tight DPS check we now have to repeat 18 minutes of the whole ultimate, let's see if we can improve."
"... Brother did you really NOT pressed your gap closer during burst window and kept it for mobility?"

Gap closer are 2~2.5% of a job DPS. It's as if you weren't pushing mirage dive on Dragoon.

[Asari5]

well, thats a decision you have to make. if you do ultimates then you should know what to do.

but now we will lose that decision making. and yes its a valid decision to make outside of ultimates and week 1 savage prog. do i use it in my buff window or to keep more uptime? deciding what to do under environmental influences is part of almost every game

[CKNovel]

well, thats a decision you have to make. if you do ultimates then you should know what to do.

but now we will lose that desicion making

That's a borked logic for so many reasons.
There was no decision making in the first place, if you lose a GCD you jump otherwise you keep it for damage. But you barely used it as a mobility tool because of the bosses massive hitbox.
If you had to use it, it was 99% of the time for DPS rather than mobility.

Those buttons were a DPS tool with mobility as a side effect. Now they're mobility tool.
If anything, you'll have more choices than before, you won't face a no-brainer choice and a suboptimal choice.

[GrizzlyTank]

Hated when they replaced shoulder tackle for monk. Yeah it can target anything, but it just isn't as satisfying to use which is what should matter in combat.

[Keichi]

Wonder, how its now with the chidori of the nin.
On Version is a dmg cap closer. It would fit the narrativ, to remove it to. When all the other ones are removed.
To the other hand, is it for the follow up raiton, if you used it on distance.