No no, it's Rise OVER Run; and other Math you get wrong. [VERY Strong Opinion; Bozja]

[Jeeqbit]

Okay, I know I'm being played here, but I have to respond: 1000 times? Really? If you've solo'd MDK One Thousand Times I'll eat my custom 'Brown is Beautiful' Converse High Tops. Hell, if you've even solo'd MDK 100 times, I'll eat my microphone's foam filter. The only reason I only solo'd it 5 times, is because people join in very quickly.

Sometimes people joined, but not always. Also, sometimes it would put me in an instance solo and this was when it was new. It scales depending on the amount of others doing them. If everyone is in CLL and I'm not, then it's virtually solo content. If everyone is farming mid and I'm north, it's solo content, so I did it a lot. I can't think of any Skirmish I did more in Bozja tbh. I probably only did the Zadnor last area as much.

Learn to contribute to a conversation

I think I contributed an awful lot here. Just because everything doesn't perfectly agree with you 100% doesn't mean it is not part of the debate.

[Nexae]

I think I contributed an awful lot here. Just because everything doesn't perfectly agree with you 100% doesn't mean it is not part of the debate.

Your "contribution" here was arrogance and elitism. You came in swinging with an argument, and not a thought for debate. "Well I can do X, Y, Z. I Like X, Y, Z. I.." is not an argument for anything. Quoting every step with non-stop "gotcha" refutations isn't a debate. You're an elitist, and your contributions are as bold as they are lame. There is plenty I wouldn't have agreed with, but those points were brought up by people offering a perspective, an opinion, and even some advice, and my mind was changed. You came in with what you thought was BDE, but really was just vitriolic and hyperbole.

I have an updated appreciation for some things now, but don't take credit MLO-WMAME, it wasn't from your "contributions".

[Jeeqbit]

Your "contribution" here was arrogance and elitism.

My points included:

1. You get millions of experience points in Zadnor.
2. That learning a fight is part of the point of the content and that not all content is meant to be as easy as a dungeon.
3. That players with more time feel bored in Endwalker and would have loved a Bozja-like content that sap their time like this.
4. The point that things need to be earned sometimes, like the duel, by doing mechanics flawlessly.
5. The point that duels are unique in that they are meant to be watched like a colosseum and as such it can't be as convenient as a queue, because it wants to filter people.

I DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE CONTENT, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LOCKING LORE+EXCLUSIVES BEHIND TIME DUMPS SO EXTREME THAT YOU COULD SPEND THAT SAME AMOUNT OF TIME LEARNING AN ENTIRELY NEW SKILL.

Part of the point in this game is being able to say you earned things, such as relic weapons or rare mounts.

• When people see someone with an old relic weapon, they think "oh it took a lot of time and effort to get that, I know how much work they put in". But when they see someone with a Hilidibrand relic, they don't really think that at all, because it involves less time and effort - just dumping tomestones they got anyway and clicking a quest.
• When people see the tiger, triceratops or victor mounts from hunts they think that involved a lot of time and effort - months of grinding and respect the effort. Same for the mentor roulette mount, which involves 2,000 mentor roulettes.
• When people see ultimate weapons, they think that involved a lot of time and effort progging the fight and coming close to beating it many times.

To me and to a lot of people, that is one of the things that is fun about an MMORPG. That you can show off what you worked hard to earn.

I could literally learn French in the time that it takes for some of these drops. I've heard tales of people netting around 107 FATEs for 1 single record- that's not reasonable. The same thing, 107 times?

Don't get me wrong, I don't like RNG like that really. It made me put off a similar area, Eureka, where after years of trying for 3-hour sessions, I couldn't even land a random chance at a random chance to get the drop I wanted. I had to buy the items that had too low drop rates.

I preferred the Bozja cluster system, where at least my grind was fixed and able to be planned, and I didn't feel like I was wasting my time. That said, if the grind is fixed ie. 107 is how much it takes for everyone, then that would be fine, as long as each of them is contributing to it, such as by dropping a currency or increasing an achievement.

All I'd be able to think about for the rest of my days is: 'Dodge. Rotation A. Rotation B. Half-rotation, Dodge. Icarus. Phlegma. Toxicon. Dodge. Rotation A...'

Grinding the gemstone mount has been like that with Chi and Daivadipa. You virtually have to do them 582 times to get 500 vouchers. I'm almost half-way there.

When will they nerf Eureka?

It actually did get a lot of nerfs, both while current and after. It's just that these nerfs were more to travel, experience gain, NM spawn rates and included significant buffs to elemental power and other methods to gain exp like the challenge log. I don't personally find the loot RNG fun in Pagos so I wouldn't mind that being improved a bit, but in terms of leveling through for the story, it is once again meant to be content for people who want a lot of their time occupied and zooming through it would defeat the point of it.

[Erzaa]

Part of the point in this game is being able to say you earned things, such as relic weapons or rare mounts.

• When people see someone with an old relic weapon, they think "oh it took a lot of time and effort to get that, I know how much work they put in". But when they see someone with a Hilidibrand relic, they don't really think that at all, because it involves less time and effort - just dumping tomestones they got anyway and clicking a quest.
• When people see the tiger, triceratops or victor mounts from hunts they think that involved a lot of time and effort - months of grinding and respect the effort. Same for the mentor roulette mount, which involves 2,000 mentor roulettes.

Just to address these points really, I disagree (barring the skill required for players to clear ultimates, that's definitely respectable).

I don't feel like people are all that impressed by a player who just spent hours upon hours doing something tedious over and over.

I know when I see those things, I feel absolutely nothing at all. I've put the time into getting past relics too, but it was only to see the side quest storyline mostly, and I definitely don't plan on doing more weapons. They just sit there in my armoury doing nothing.

At best you'll have a friend give your a /congratulations emote and never bring it up again.