SAM PVP: How are you supposed to play this class?

[Jaydarksol]

This is exactly what I am talking about, SAM is absolute trash because of its LB "oh look at how broken SAM is!" is absolute pea brain when the entire kit of the class is dog droppings. You have to perform 2x better than any other class to get mediocre results. Remove the LB and you have a class that legitimately can be ignored, Crowd controlled, and spit on to death. Outside of mob mentality Frontlines, noone is going to be stupid enough to hit into chiten reliably. Get OVER it.

SAM needs a rework or it will continue to be in the dumps for the foreseeable future.

[EmilySummerstar]

This is exactly what I am talking about, SAM is absolute trash because of its LB "oh look at how broken SAM is!" is absolute pea brain when the entire kit of the class is dog droppings. You have to perform 2x better than any other class to get mediocre results. Remove the LB and you have a class that legitimately can be ignored, Crowd controlled, and spit on to death. Outside of mob mentality Frontlines, noone is going to be stupid enough to hit into chiten reliably. Get OVER it.

SAM needs a rework or it will continue to be in the dumps for the foreseeable future.

I'm not even asking for it to be nerfed but I do think it needs a tweaking. They can start by marking them like they do to Red Mages in PVP. Also, every attack or tactic should have counter play and no "Just don't attack them or use AoE if you think there's a SAM nearby" is not counter play.

[Valence]

Put them on focus target when they are LB ready (or even at the start of the game if you don't use it for anything else). When you see their LB is ready, try to see when they use their chiten buff. As soon as you notice it, it lasts only 5s, after that the SAM is fresh meat for 20s. Target burst it with your team. If you're within low leagues or casual, still mark it focus target. And when you don't know if chiten is up, mark them ignore.

It's not exactly rocket science, but it gets a lot of people because the lower in leagues you go, the less people watch party lists and the state of LBs. Still, you need to build muscle memory and burn into your mind that every time you are about to attack a SAM, you automatically take a look at their LB gauge. It's no that different from what you should be doing with literally every job in the enemy comp.

[Teno]

SAM is already the most broken OP job at least in frontline, as soon you have Chiten up you're practically untouchable plus you can stun/blind and if someone pokes you = insta dead.

The ability of taking a couple of people out of the game with 0 BH its insane and an horrible bad designed job.

Only MCH/MNK at MAX BH and with minor assistance can one shot a RANGE JOB, meanwhile SAM gets the free card and can take down a max BH PLD by getting touch once.

Skill issue, SAM is very fine in fl. It's very predictable, and at the same time you can make clever use of the mindgames when playing it.

It's a noob trap but also a good mindgame job in the hands of a good player. It's perfectly ok.

[EmilySummerstar]

Skill issue, SAM is very fine in fl. It's very predictable, and at the same time you can make clever use of the mindgames when playing it.

It's a noob trap but also a good mindgame job in the hands of a good player. It's perfectly ok.

Honestly I don't even mind that it one shots me. There are games as RDM where I'm very annoying, sit back out of range and CC the threats coming in. I've been taken out by a suicide bombing SAMs in those cases and have admitted that it was a good call on their part. My issue is that in the chaos, to be most helpful to my team, I don't want to only look out for SAMs and have them targeted in case I AoE them. If they can one shot me, they are a bigger threat than knowing if a RDM is in Black Shift or White Shift, make it easier to see that threat. Make it my decision on whether or not to take the chance to hit them with an attack.

[ChrysOCE]

Honestly I don't even mind that it one shots me. There are games as RDM where I'm very annoying, sit back out of range and CC the threats coming in. I've been taken out by a suicide bombing SAMs in those cases and have admitted that it was a good call on their part. My issue is that in the chaos, to be most helpful to my team, I don't want to only look out for SAMs and have them targeted in case I AoE them. If they can one shot me, they are a bigger threat than knowing if a RDM is in Black Shift or White Shift, make it easier to see that threat. Make it my decision on whether or not to take the chance to hit them with an attack.

You would think the RDM aura would only be visible to the player.

Also, yea, I hate SAMs in FL. Any OHKO is cheap and ridiculous, especially when it is OHKO when you werent even targeting them. That Chiten debuff should not work with AOE attacks, only direct attacks.

[Mawlzy]

You would think the RDM aura would only be visible to the player.

Also, yea, I hate SAMs in FL. Any OHKO is cheap and ridiculous, especially when it is OHKO when you werent even targeting them. That Chiten debuff should not work with AOE attacks, only direct attacks.

That's a really good suggestion. In some of the more chaotic FL battles, it's borderline impossible to see if a SAM is in the crowd, let alone its (de)buff status.

[Mistress_Irika]

This is exactly what I am talking about, SAM is absolute trash because of its LB "oh look at how broken SAM is!" is absolute pea brain when the entire kit of the class is dog droppings. You have to perform 2x better than any other class to get mediocre results. Remove the LB and you have a class that legitimately can be ignored, Crowd controlled, and spit on to death. Outside of mob mentality Frontlines, noone is going to be stupid enough to hit into chiten reliably. Get OVER it.

SAM needs a rework or it will continue to be in the dumps for the foreseeable future.

Honestly, you're not supposed to be attacking into Chiten in the first place. You're just losing damage at that point. I do feel bad for them, because the overall design is just screwing them over. Majority is being trained not to burst into that skill while many will try to force their way through MNK's Riddle and DRG's Horrid Roar

[Valence]

I see I got baited and didn't see the subject shifted from CC to FLs...

If you remove AoE trigger on Chiten, you make the job even worse than it currently is in CC.

[Mawlzy]

I see I got baited and didn't see the subject shifted from CC to FLs...

If you remove AoE trigger on Chiten, you make the job even worse than it currently is in CC.

Couldn't it be helped in another area rather than preserving a "skill" that is simply inappropriate for FL?