Please let SMN keep Resurrection

[4clubbedace]

I never said you could survive body checks, I said being able to res as many people as possible before the next body check, there is plenty of mechanics surrounding the body checks that also regularly kill players without blowing up the raid, the classical baited proteans, simple missed mits and raid wides, exas, etc

thats what im telling you that " possible before the next body check" doesnt work in the capstone savage, and is also the same for p8s2, and the only real opptunity for caster raise to matter is frankly, in fights that arnt difficult

hence my previous stament
so the options are

keep raise, and buff smn rdm damage because raise doesnt matter

or delete caster raise, and buff dps, because raise doesnt matter.

[sindriiisgaming]

As a casual, I have to agree here. Not everything in the game has to be tailored to high endgame content. If Raise is that useless to you, then you can remove it from your hotbar and pretend it's not there. If anything, we should be talking about the actual worthless button in SMN's kit /stares at Physick



That's true too, but SMN is also the caster with the highest mobility so it get taxed either way (tho I wonder if BLM getting Leyline adjust in DT would affect that).

Like, I get that people don't like to lose dps, but missing a single gcd to save someone isn't the end of the world either. If you told me straight up you're just selfish I'd give you a pass for honesty at least.

PS: general you, not you you.

You can't just delete it. If you do Any endgame content and u refuse to res sm1 can report you and you will get banned. So we don't have a choice. This is why rdm/smn mains are quitting

[ZiraZ]

thats what im telling you that " possible before the next body check" doesnt work in the capstone savage, and is also the same for p8s2, and the only real opptunity for caster raise to matter is frankly, in fights that arnt difficult

hence my previous stament
so the options are

keep raise, and buff smn rdm damage because raise doesnt matter

or delete caster raise, and buff dps, because raise doesnt matter.

I know for a fact you can recover a possible wipe if tons of people die to the baited proteans after playstations, or to the exas, or to the first UAV2 mechanic or after the tower mechanic in p8s2, and many more
idk about your first option but the 2nd one would hurt the jobs a lot, you would be promoting BLM to undisputed king of casters since the gap in dps would still be huge but now they would have no raise

[Rithy255]

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That's true too, but SMN is also the caster with the highest mobility so it get taxed either way (tho I wonder if BLM getting Leyline adjust in DT would affect that).

Like, I get that people don't like to lose dps, but missing a single gcd to save someone isn't the end of the world either. If you told me straight up you're just selfish I'd give you a pass for honesty at least.

PS: general you, not you you.

I mean if someone in prog is wasting their swift cast for slightly extra dps and/or refuses to rez because they will lose damage, I honestly think they're kind of being selfish and not thinking whats best for the party. Obviously if it's a loot, speed already cleared, or you don't think something wrong is going to happen you can use it.

at the end of the day Rez is by far the best utility a job can bring, it actually makes caster more interesting in "reasons to bring one over another" but a lot of people also dislike that a job has a clear advantage in some situations. Personally I like that rather then all jobs bringing the same thing on the table, but only to a certain extent as having one job clearly better and always used should be avoided.

Some people will understandably be aganist rez as they will lose out on damage in comparison to jobs without it, Others will be for rez because they want that utility to stand out and they enjoy it, neither are wrong but only one can be appeased to.

[RaideDuku]

Let em keep it. It IS part of their identity in the game. The quirky DPS that can rez. If you want to go based off the job's history, I'll point out that 2 of the 3 big summoners of the series can rez. So yeah.

[ShariusTC]

You can't just delete it. If you do Any endgame content and u refuse to res sm1 can report you and you will get banned. So we don't have a choice. This is why rdm/smn mains are quitting

No you don't get banned for it and SMN quit not because of it, RDM still plenty in roulette, stop spread misinformation

[CalvinDescoles]

Imagine a solution that could be fine for both side... making it an oGCD (for both rdm and smn btw) that has a very long CD (at least 2/3min)...

[GlowClam]

Yes, rezz mage is definitely part of the red mage identity. If you don't like it, please play another job and don't begrudge others their way of playing!

If Square Enix actually corrects this, there will be more grumbling and whining from the pro players about homogenizing the jobs!

Especially inexperienced groups practicing difficult content were grateful for my revivals. But experts can do without it, of course, because it's a sign of weakness.

I personally think: Banish the players who never get enough of too difficult content in FF14 to content specifically designed for them. They spoil the fun of ordinary players who naturally familiarize themselves with mechanics and gameplay in FF14, but have no desire to become godlike at it.

[Mistress_Irika]

After having a few conversations the changes that the devs are proposing as far as Resurrection goes may have something to do with separating summoner and scholar completely. I have a feeling that the sub classes are going to get the axe come 8.0. Gladiator, lancer, conjurer, archer...those classes without job stones. I can see why that would make sense to them hearing the stories about how much of a nightmare it was to them when it came to balancing summoner and scholar. I wouldn't know about it, because I've only started during the Stormblood expansion and didn't pay attention to any of the live letters until Shadowbringers.

With that said, I don't mind if the skill gets a hard nerf in terms of cooldown if it means raising the skill floor. However, I just do not agree with outright removing it altogether. All that does is just make majority of multiplayer instances healer reliant and in turn makes it more important and intimidating to play (I'll return to intimidating in a moment). At that point it's not about how much damage a healer can do in casual content. It's whether or not they can stay alive in the first place.

Tanks can solo certain boss fights in dungeons. However, the attitude is not there when it comes to normal raiding and trials. No one like their time to be wasted. Just like certain raid groups will willing wipe if too many deaths have occurred within a short amount of time many casual groups will willingly wipe if the healers are dead and there's no way to revive them. There is no such thing as trying to finish the raid/trial without a healer unless the boss is nearly dead. Folks aren't looking to carry. They're looking to complete.

I've already dealt with this attitude when learning feast back when it existed (I don't know how else to compare it. I've never played another MMO similar to XIV.). If the healer was that bad players will willingly die to save themselves time of a failed match just to go to the next game. I just don't want to see an increase with people leaving, kicking other players, or voting to abandon. I have a feeling that this sort of behavior will pop up more frequently if Resurrection gets removed. Also don't want queue times to get worse because of this (don't think this matters as much since DPS is waiting 20 minutes to play anyways).

If there's any benefit that I'm missing other than more damage for the skill to be removed I would like to know what it is. If I ever do extremes and savages I don't mind training myself not to use the ability unless asked to. Casual content on the other hand....

[Patesaupesto]

if theyre the only thing you can link to rdm identity, and u cant see other ways around this by buffing there heals or a vermedica.. then.. it says everything already. its a raise mage. not a redmage..

To me that's a big issue, people only see RDM like a "yeah we can go lazy and do BS since we have a RDM" "oh let's avoid getting a BLM it wont save my stupid"
RDM should be a mobile caster able to adjust between melee and ranged position, able to give some support AS OGCD.
If we give him more heals it will become "3rd necessary healer so I can lazy heal and we can save our stupid so let's pick RDM over other casters for our stupid", bad idea again

My point is that statics used to pick RDM over BLM because of the rez, RDM has to take stupid risks just to maybe see enrage/next mechanic, bro just re pull and don't die idk there's no point tbh except very rare case when you actually save a kill, but that's too rare nowadays, thanks to the dev designing the fight in a way you can't save a run from stupid