SMN Job 7.0 Feedback

[DNation]

I love current SMN and it's a very popular job. I never understand where the kind of absolutist language and the vitriol in the feedback from people in a thread like this come from. There's tons of players who are super happy with it (see basically any casual content these days, where the instances are packed to the gills with SMN and DNC), and the devs are trying to provide diversity of experiences for players. Its current popularity suggests their best play is to just leave it be, and that looks like the tack the devs have taken. I, for one, applaud their restraint in not messing with a success.

[Ggwppino]

I love current SMN and it's a very popular job. I never understand where the kind of absolutist language and the vitriol in the feedback from people in a thread like this come from. There's tons of players who are super happy with it (see basically any casual content these days, where the instances are packed to the gills with SMN and DNC), and the devs are trying to provide diversity of experiences for players. Its current popularity suggests their best play is to just leave it be, and that looks like the tack the devs have taken. I, for one, applaud their restraint in not messing with a success.

GG, make a video game populated only by casuals survive. Who knows of those who play now have dropped out.

Anyways, after the salt, You're basically right, but they very forcefully took away this class from paying players and gave it to others.

[Bonoki]

The joke has run its course. We'd like the old Stormblood SMN back now.

I don't want old Stormblood SMN back.

[DNation]

GG, make a video game populated only by casuals survive. Who knows of those who play now have dropped out.

The game is, by what limited information we can tell, more popular than ever. Of course this has been bolstered over the years by things like WoW seriously wounding itself, but most of a game's audience - any game, at all - is and always will be "casual" players.

They chose to rework an unpopular job and made it one of the most popular. I'm not without sympathy for the people who liked old SMN (although I have no shortage of confusion), but it'd be a very hard-pressed task to find how making a job that is a hit with the lion's share of the player base is actually a negative. I've never been happy myself with 100% of what the devs have done, but on the whole, we've consistently moved in a positive direction.

[Teno]

The game is, by what limited information we can tell, more popular than ever. Of course this has been bolstered over the years by things like WoW seriously wounding itself, but most of a game's audience - any game, at all - is and always will be "casual" players.

They chose to rework an unpopular job and made it one of the most popular. I'm not without sympathy for the people who liked old SMN (although I have no shortage of confusion), but it'd be a very hard-pressed task to find how making a job that is a hit with the lion's share of the player base is actually a negative. I've never been happy myself with 100% of what the devs have done, but on the whole, we've consistently moved in a positive direction.

The game isn't popular because of its gameplay, and if anything it usually is a turn-off in its current state, or something that people don't consider when starting the game.

Summoner is as popular as it is right now because its visual design is fantastic, and the perfect image of a classic FF summoner. But the gameplay is barren. It's also a lazy job that people pick when they want to turn their brain off, kinda like healers.

In short gameplay =/////= popularity. And summoner is a textbook example.

[rawker]

I never thought I could despise something more than EW SMN. DT SMN surpassed that.

Have your Insomnia curing job. I'm done with it.

[Tsurayu]

I agree.

Summoner has never been more fun to play than it has been the last couple years.

The ol' hybrid DoT/Pet management setup was not particularly fun. It was over cumbersome and at certain times in the game were very unwieldy.

See? it's okay to have strong opinions, but my god. Strong, but constructive opinions are a scarcity around here. It's just vitriol and hate and bashing on people who do enjoy the changes to Summoner as though they are some Cro-Magnon who can't function on a level necessary to keep track of timers.

[Myon88]

You now remember all the people coping that the EW smn rework was a 'good foundation' for future development of the job hahahahahahahahahaha

[Miemi]

Having terrible job mechanics for 4 years is wild, 6 when you include healers lol.

I'm not sure what this has to do with my quote. I'm expecting (naturally) devs to create something new, not revert back.

[ThorneDynasty]

You now remember all the people coping that the EW smn rework was a 'good foundation' for future development of the job hahahahahahahahahaha

Where are we at the gaslighting pipeline currently?

At first the changes aren't going to be that huge. Then the changes are going to be just as good as the old job. The new job is just a foundation, you guys! Actually the old job sucked! That's so unfair to people who love new SMN, you can't just take it away now. Actually new SMN is amazing and everyone loves it, s-shut up!

Some people just say anything to deflect criticism, whatever is most convenient at the time. You can't convince me they aren't just white knighting literally anything FF14 devs do.