Pvp chat is an outdated system that doesn't work anymore

[LynxDubh]

The current system already *is* toxic though.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen someone use "push the crystal" during a match or "nice job" after a win. But after a loss? Spam of both for days, sometimes from more than one teammate. In fact, I don't think I've *ever* seen anyone use the quick chat for anything helpful or productive, at least not in casual Crystaline Conflict on Aether (maybe it's different on other data centers, or at least the non-dead ones where PVP actually pops). And it's not like the jerks spamming quick chat are any more immune from blacklisting as the jerks shouting during Frontlines/Rival Wings either when it comes to dealing with both, so I at least want a proper chat for *my* benefit and those who would use it properly because the toxic folks are going to be treated the same way regardless of how they're acting it out.

A proper chat wouldn't add anything more negative than what's already there basically, and quick chat probably even encourages some poor behavior because someone can be a snot with a press of a hotkey instead of having to stop and type out whatever variation of "you suck" they're thinking about.

I'd still say the quick chat is the lesser of the two evils. I would rather have a quick chat where the spam can be muted by turning down the system sounds, make a macro for it even. Rather than someone raging in text chat, stopping the match to type at each other, and saying rather vile things.

[Cidel]

It wouldn't be such an issue if they bothered getting around to adding more (actually relevant) Quick-Chat phrases to alert and coordinate with your team. As it stands now, their intern PvP person PvP team looks at all things PvP maybe twice a year, while tiny potency job adjustments being based-off of CC winrates (and nothing more), gets maybe a third look. Anything else that requires adjustments or considered being added needs to go through the correct bureaucratic channels and processes before being voted on being put on the very back of the back-burner for maybe being squeezed into a large patch release. If it's already the latter half of an expansion cycle, it almost certainly won't be implemented until the next expansion. Any glamour or mounts they couldn't fit anywhere else gets tossed to the Wolf's Den vendors or PvP series.

Anywho. If they added more (relevant) Quick-Chat phrases at all at some point during this expansion after they added like, those extra 6 or whatever -it would have helped tremendously with coordination. Some basic ones to call attention to your teammates or just flat-out help with awareness would've gone a long way. I don't know why they feel like we needed "Hello" and "Good Match!" when we still don't have things like:

"Beware [Target Enemy]'s Limit Break!" (Which to be fair, would be a stealth nerf to almost all SAMs in Casual and low ranks)
"Help me!" (Though this will probably be overused. Especially by those people getting freaked-out from being chased around by a PLD)
"Go heal up!"
"They are focused on me!"
"[Target Teammate], Assist me!"
"My Guard/Purify is unavailable."
"Don't chase the enemy!"
"Temporarily move away from the crystal"
"Incoming arena hazard!"

-as some examples.

Lord knows our PvP hotbars are barren enough to fit more Quick-Chats.

[MsMisato]

It's bs pvp arena players can't chat. There's toxicity among raid groups in PF, by that logic, they should lock chat for extreme, savage, and ultimate content.

PvP is ridiculously competitive, and it brings out the worst in people. Having chat off is a big plus. I do think they need to expand on the chat macro list though what they have is kind of meh honestly. maybe even had some pvp exclusive markers.

[CidHeiral]

I play quite a bit of PvP and I can't say I've ever had a problem with the lack of free chat. 99% of what you would need to communicate in a match is perfectly doable with quick chat. You may have the odd lack of communication death here and there but I'll take that any day of the week over trying to win a match solo while everyone else on my team stands around arguing about nonsense.

[1313]

PVP is just bad in general, delete it and move the rewards to other content.

[Loggos]

It wouldn't be such an issue if they bothered getting around to adding more (actually relevant) Quick-Chat phrases to alert and coordinate with your team. As it stands now, their intern PvP person PvP team looks at all things PvP maybe twice a year, while tiny potency job adjustments being based-off of CC winrates (and nothing more), gets maybe a third look. Anything else that requires adjustments or considered being added needs to go through the correct bureaucratic channels and processes before being voted on being put on the very back of the back-burner for maybe being squeezed into a large patch release. If it's already the latter half of an expansion cycle, it almost certainly won't be implemented until the next expansion. Any glamour or mounts they couldn't fit anywhere else gets tossed to the Wolf's Den vendors or PvP series.

Anywho. If they added more (relevant) Quick-Chat phrases at all at some point during this expansion after they added like, those extra 6 or whatever -it would have helped tremendously with coordination. Some basic ones to call attention to your teammates or just flat-out help with awareness would've gone a long way. I don't know why they feel like we needed "Hello" and "Good Match!" when we still don't have things like:

"Beware [Target Enemy]'s Limit Break!" (Which to be fair, would be a stealth nerf to almost all SAMs in Casual and low ranks)
"Help me!" (Though this will probably be overused. Especially by those people getting freaked-out from being chased around by a PLD)
"Go heal up!"
"They are focused on me!"
"[Target Teammate], Assist me!"
"My Guard/Purify is unavailable."
"Don't chase the enemy!"
"Temporarily move away from the crystal"
"Incoming arena hazard!"

-as some examples.

Lord knows our PvP hotbars are barren enough to fit more Quick-Chats.

Something like "Follow me" or "Follow <player>" or "Go to/Move to <marker x>" would also be helpful.

With <marker x> I mean custom map markers or beacons you can place during the match. As of now you can already place markers but you can't really alert people to move there. So for the uninitiated they might look random (e.g. when people place markers on the oasis shortcut on the red sands map). But if you could make calls with movement directions you could direct your party in a more coordinated way and all in all communicate advanced strategies better.

[Aidorouge]

I'd still say the quick chat is the lesser of the two evils. I would rather have a quick chat where the spam can be muted by turning down the system sounds, make a macro for it even. Rather than someone raging in text chat, stopping the match to type at each other, and saying rather vile things.

"Shutting off" quick chat in that way just seems to emphasize how useless it currently is though, in that it rarely gets used as intended during a match and is always used for mockery after.

Hell, I don't even have any of the quick chat stuff on my own PVP hotbars because I already know they're a waste despite how much free space there is, and simply adding *more* quick chat options isn't going to make me any more inclined to care about them. On the contrary, it just adds more stuff I can safely ignore during a match (because they'll never be used properly anyway) or someone will turn one or more of the new quick chats into the new post-match insult.

Can people use normal chat to make jerks of themselves? Of course they will, I see it all the time in Frontlines/Rival Wings, but I also see the chat there make a difference with shot-calling/pinch warnings. With Crystaline Conflict, you just kinda derp-zerg into the crystal/enemy team and hope things work out for you because there's no useful way to communicate otherwise. Could be teamed up with AI-controlled bots at that point for all the difference it makes.

[Jeeqbit]

There are ways to communicate these sort of things with the pvp chat templates.

[ThaCa]

I find it kinda sad that I get more salt bags spamming quick chat in casual queue rather than in higher ranks.

[Arkdra]

I have less than 0 interest in anything some nimrod in my casual queues has to say so no thanks.