Pvp chat is an outdated system that doesn't work anymore

[Stormfur]

Yeaahhh... you don't want chat back. It's a salt mine. That being said, they should absolutely mute people who spam nice job or whatever X times in a row. I wish we had a quick chat button for "Grow up."

[LynxDubh]

"Shutting off" quick chat in that way just seems to emphasize how useless it currently is though, in that it rarely gets used as intended during a match and is always used for mockery after.

Hell, I don't even have any of the quick chat stuff on my own PVP hotbars because I already know they're a waste despite how much free space there is, and simply adding *more* quick chat options isn't going to make me any more inclined to care about them. On the contrary, it just adds more stuff I can safely ignore during a match (because they'll never be used properly anyway) or someone will turn one or more of the new quick chats into the new post-match insult.

Can people use normal chat to make jerks of themselves? Of course they will, I see it all the time in Frontlines/Rival Wings, but I also see the chat there make a difference with shot-calling/pinch warnings. With Crystaline Conflict, you just kinda derp-zerg into the crystal/enemy team and hope things work out for you because there's no useful way to communicate otherwise. Could be teamed up with AI-controlled bots at that point for all the difference it makes.

You sound rather assured in your defeatism. I find the quick chats handy for coordination and targeting when people use it along with macros. They could use with extra and more through and informative options like others have posted in this thread.

But, having free chat in CC would give an avenue for people to keyboard PvP. Which heavily affects 5v5 CC games as opposed to 24v24v24 FL games. Salt is gonna salt, sometimes the best thing is to restrict how the salt can flow.

[Aidorouge]

You sound rather assured in your defeatism. I find the quick chats handy for coordination and targeting when people use it along with macros. They could use with extra and more through and informative options like others have posted in this thread.

But, having free chat in CC would give an avenue for people to keyboard PvP. Which heavily affects 5v5 CC games as opposed to 24v24v24 FL games. Salt is gonna salt, sometimes the best thing is to restrict how the salt can flow.

If other people are getting results using quick chats in their matches, good for them, but my experience has gotten to the point where I treat them as background noise and ignore the chat completely in CC, and I've probably blocked just as many "nice job/push the crystal" spammers after a bad round of CC than I have salty loudmouths in FL/RW, even after taking into account some people pop off even when they're winning/already won, so it's not like one PVP mode is personally giving me more textual grief than the other so they might as well be the same anyway.

[sindriiisgaming]

You sound rather assured in your defeatism. I find the quick chats handy for coordination and targeting when people use it along with macros. They could use with extra and more through and informative options like others have posted in this thread. Your skill does nothing because some other player died once so you all wipe, leave the pf and kick the guy. Rinse repeat. Such non toxic content!

But, having free chat in CC would give an avenue for people to keyboard PvP. Which heavily affects 5v5 CC games as opposed to 24v24v24 FL games. Salt is gonna salt, sometimes the best thing is to restrict how the salt can flow.

But people are salt mines and keyboard warriors in fl and rw. And yet you don't see them remove chat there. What I want is fair treatment. The chat DOESNT PREVENT toxicity and I think this is evidence that's being purposefully ignored. After matches I get messaged either in game or on discord and harassed by said player next match. So the chat restriction did nothing to prevent this. If the purpose of the restriction is to disarm toxicity, and it can't even do that. Tell Me... what is the point of it anymore?

I find it kinda sad that I get more salt bags spamming quick chat in casual queue rather than in higher ranks.

Good players aren't toxic. Toxicity only comes from an inferiority complex, so players who actually take the time to learn how to be good don't act like this.

I'd still say the quick chat is the lesser of the two evils. I would rather have a quick chat where the spam can be muted by turning down the system sounds, make a macro for it even. Rather than someone raging in text chat, stopping the match to type at each other, and saying rather vile things.

Players already freeze mid Match. I had 1 guy throw an entire natch because he got a no no marker (from throwing 2 other matches )

PVP is just bad in general, delete it and move the rewards to other content.

Imo pvp is the best content in the game. Jobs have identity and impact on the match, skill carries, the glam is sick and no match is ever the same. How is " and now it's time for light rampant wipe 1058" "ill give you special cells" the better content. It's so mindnumbing and repetitive it made my static quit raiding

PvP is ridiculously competitive, and it brings out the worst in people. Having chat off is a big plus. I do think they need to expand on the chat macro list though what they have is kind of meh honestly. maybe even had some pvp exclusive markers.

Firstly - it is not competitive as much as you might think. Most people don't play for wins as only very few and massively grindy titles require wins ( prolly to turn pll off) not only that but almost ALL rewards can be obtained for loosing. Something I've confirmed people mostly play for - the rewards. I play to win since I'm grinding alpha wolf and 1/5 the way there, but I don't get super madge if my team looses, because I can just dm our weaker player and ask him if he knows his kit and how to improve. I had maybe 2-3 players dm me and say "you suck quit" when I ask them how quitting would make me improve they suddenly don't reply because it's a great way to shut them down. Ive had people tea bag me if i die ( i laugh it off brcause instead of doing the objective theyre standing there defensless, its even funnier when it gets them killed) ive had ppl ddos me (and my team Has still won) Toxicity is like rain. It happens. It's annoying. It won't kill you. So just ignore it. Thick skin if needed for everything in the adult world and you cannot let people come between you and your goals. Because trust me they will try
Secondly- it' brings out the worst in SOME pvp players. Not ALL pvp players.

[LynxDubh]

But people are salt mines and keyboard warriors in fl and rw. And yet you don't see them remove chat there. What I want is fair treatment. The chat DOESNT PREVENT toxicity and I think this is evidence that's being purposefully ignored. After matches I get messaged either in game or on discord and harassed by said player next match. So the chat restriction did nothing to prevent this. If the purpose of the restriction is to disarm toxicity, and it can't even do that. Tell Me... what is the point of it anymore?


Players already freeze mid Match. I had 1 guy throw an entire natch because he got a no no marker (from throwing 2 other matches )

The point is to mitigate toxic behavior that would disrupt a fast paced, low player count match during said match, not remove it. The concept of a full-proof system that can completely remove toxicity from a PvP mode is fanciful nonsense. Salt lords will find a way to vent their frustrations and be toxic. With a quick chat "I was not fighting so I could type to my team" is no longer on the table as an excuse. It strips people who want to freeze and afk as a retaliation of plausible deniability.

As for people being toxic and abusive outside of a match, that's outside of the match it's irrelevant to this conversation. If you do as much PvP as you claim, you should know the drill. Report them through proper channels. Expecting an in instance feature to prevent actions outside itself and outside the game is ludicrous.