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    Quote Originally Posted by Toutatis View Post
    why remove a roulette for lvl 50-60 players and players that have not gotten to the point where they can unlock other raids because everything in this game is locked behind MSQ progression. When levelling a combat job between lvl 50 and 60, the daily AR provides decent XP along with Pvp, levelling and MSQ.
    Not having access to one roulette for leveling until later wouldn't hurt the lv50-60 experience too much since you level up very fast while progressing through the game normally anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toutatis View Post
    You can still queue for the raid you want.
    Why have roulettes at all since we can all queue for the duties we want?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    You can make a similar argument with normal raids. It’s mostly fist of the father (alex).
    Getting Alexander raids on Normal roulette is not nearly as dominant as getting Crystal Tower on Alliance. It feels more random since you get raids from all expansions instead of just one of the first two from ARR days in a row, sometimes even a week in a row.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigmarrIrenesch View Post
    Not having access to one roulette for leveling until later wouldn't hurt the lv50-60 experience too much since you level up very fast while progressing through the game normally anyway.
    That works for the first few jobs only. Once done with the story, there isn’t much to level up a job at those levels.


    Why have roulettes at all since we can all queue for the duties we want?
    Roulette is there to fill groups that need filling. If you want a specific raid, just queue for it. You will also force the roulette to find you teammates.

    Some raids take longer to fill than others as less people have them unlocked and some pop a lot more rarely not only because of fewer unlocks but also because nobody needs to do them. Atm we mostly see ARR and EW raids (got Thaleia 3xnights in a row). EW because players who joined during that expansion have probably unlocked those while playing EW and because people still queue them for the tokens.

    For a new player starting today, they have a long way to go before reaching the end of EW and unlocking optional raids along the way may not be a priority. Unlocking all the optional raids takes time (stories + queue + raid time). I also know several players who didn’t know there were other alliance raids until they were told about as SE has put the quest givers in the middle of nowhere, requiring the player to come back to an area after the MSQ is done with that area. There are lots of blue markers and nothing to indicate which ones are Alliance raids.
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    Last edited by Toutatis; 05-15-2024 at 07:38 AM. Reason: Bad english

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    Quote Originally Posted by SigmarrIrenesch View Post
    Why have roulettes at all since we can all queue for the duties we want?
    The entire point of the roulette is that you absolutely, entirely, 100%, completely forfeit your right to choice in where you go ito fill in spots wherever they may be needed, which just happens to be the CT series more often than not. In exchange you get the massive XP buff. You want the buff, you go where you go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    The entire point of the roulette is that you absolutely, entirely, 100%, completely forfeit your right to choice in where you go ito fill in spots wherever they may be needed, which just happens to be the CT series more often than not. In exchange you get the massive XP buff. You want the buff, you go where you go.
    The problem isn’t the fact that the roulette can pop crystal tower

    The problem is the fact that the game so overwhelmingly biased CT with every single benefit possible that it actually deprives the roulette of people to pop the other raids then people get sick of CT and deprive the queue further of people who would pop the higher raids and creates a self fulfilling cycle

    First and foremost the roulette is for popping queues for people queuing directly and the alliance raid roulette fails utterly at that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    The problem isn’t the fact that the roulette can pop crystal tower

    The problem is the fact that the game so overwhelmingly biased CT with every single benefit possible that it actually deprives the roulette of people to pop the other raids then people get sick of CT and deprive the queue further of people who would pop the higher raids and creates a self fulfilling cycle

    First and foremost the roulette is for popping queues for people queuing directly and the alliance raid roulette fails utterly at that
    But you can still get the other raids if you queue specifically for them. I’ve never had it take longer than 10ish minutes during evening hours to get any specific roulette; specifically was doing Nier for glams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    But you can still get the other raids if you queue specifically for them. I’ve never had it take longer than 10ish minutes during evening hours to get any specific roulette; specifically was doing Nier for glams.
    I’ve waited near 2 hours for ivalice during NA peak time, outside of peak you may as well not even try, I’ve waited for nier for over 8 hours off peak. A roulette shouldn’t only sorta work in peak times

    There is legit problems with the roulette
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I’ve waited near 2 hours for ivalice during NA peak time, outside of peak you may as well not even try, I’ve waited for nier for over 8 hours off peak. A roulette shouldn’t only sorta work in peak times

    There is legit problems with the roulette
    What do you consider peak time? I'm also on Aether and also on Jenova and I play in NA prime time of about 6pm eastern sometimes until 4 in the morning. I've never had any of the alliance raids take that long outside of back in the day before we even had the roulette where CT was all we had and could take hours to fill.

    I've had my alt over on Aether trying to get the raids unlocked because she does get those queue times over on Dynamis, and she hasn't had to wait more than 30 minutes on a dps going through Void Ark so far. I'm about to start her with Ivalice. And on my main I get the Nier raids so often I'm frankly more sick of them than I already was. Also get the Myths raids a lot but that's understandable because coin raids are always popular when people are still finishing gearing up. I usually run either healer or dps on my main.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    What do you consider peak time? I'm also on Aether and also on Jenova and I play in NA prime time of about 6pm eastern sometimes until 4 in the morning. I've never had any of the alliance raids take that long outside of back in the day before we even had the roulette where CT was all we had and could take hours to fill.

    I've had my alt over on Aether trying to get the raids unlocked because she does get those queue times over on Dynamis, and she hasn't had to wait more than 30 minutes on a dps going through Void Ark so far. I'm about to start her with Ivalice. And on my main I get the Nier raids so often I'm frankly more sick of them than I already was. Also get the Myths raids a lot but that's understandable because coin raids are always popular when people are still finishing gearing up. I usually run either healer or dps on my main.
    His peak time is middle of the night clearly. There isn't a mission that any instance takes 8 hours outside of Rival Wings when you queue at night. 30-60 minutes tops in peak time. In the worst case yes it could take a few hours, but thats when you queue at 3AM and everyone is in their scratchers. The longest queue I've ever had since ARR was exactly this, a 3 hour queue because I was up at stupid O'clock, difference is I knew they queue was going to be long.

    If Yoshi would just Ilvl Sync the ARR raids so they don't get nuked so we can actually have fun instead of fighting training dummies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    The entire point of the roulette is that you absolutely, entirely, 100%, completely forfeit your right to choice in where you go ito fill in spots wherever they may be needed, which just happens to be the CT series more often than not. In exchange you get the massive XP buff. You want the buff, you go where you go.
    No one plays the game to fill queues though. The game should be fun to play and ideally players should be able to participate in content that they enjoy even if they're also trying to get XP. It's not a bad thing that people want choice in how they level. That is just how things should be and I don't understand why people want to argue against a good thing. Also remember that roulettes do give you choice because there is more than one roulette. If filling queues was all that mattered there would only be one roulette and you'd not actually have any choice. It's not like it can't be done since mentor roulette is that roulette. More roulette options is consistent with how the game works already. It's not something new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PyurBlue View Post
    No one plays the game to fill queues though. The game should be fun to play and ideally players should be able to participate in content that they enjoy even if they're also trying to get XP. It's not a bad thing that people want choice in how they level. That is just how things should be and I don't understand why people want to argue against a good thing. Also remember that roulettes do give you choice because there is more than one roulette. If filling queues was all that mattered there would only be one roulette and you'd not actually have any choice. It's not like it can't be done since mentor roulette is that roulette. More roulette options is consistent with how the game works already. It's not something new.
    Your personal reasons for playing are not relevant for the purpose of Roulette. It literally exists to encourage more people to do the content to help new players have enough bodies to progress their game. That's it, full stop. The fat XP bonus is there for your inconvenience.

    Multiple types of roulettes exist because different types of content with (typically) very different expectations and technical requirements exist. IE if there was only 1 roulette, 4 man dungeons would constantly run and you'd never get 24 people to do raids.
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