Positionals

[Reinha]

Instead of calling for the complete removal of positionals from the melee role and alienating the people who enjoy the act of hitting those positionals, why not instead ask for RPR to not have positionals? RPR already barely has to think about positionals, it also feels like a system that doesn't really belong on RPR.

RPR or VPR, either one would be fine by me. As soon as reaper launched I already commented how I liked that the positionals are not tied to it's main combo. It's already doing the least damage out of melees so it's not being rewarded for having positionals as it is. Or make viper not have positionals, and the people saying "just play rphys" can "just not play viper".

[Supersnow845]

When it comes to the concept of “making a melee without positionals would just create a two tiered system with either an enforced damage difference or the positional melee working harder for the same result” doesn’t this functionally already exist with the melees

Like I mean monk without its positionals is still harder than RPR with reapers positionals, couldn’t by that logic you are that MNK (I’m not saying MNK itself I more mean as a hypothetical) doesn’t actually need its positionals to fit into the melee meta as it would still be harder than RPR without them

Couldn’t VPR just be as complex as say MNK then without positionals do something akin to RPR’s damage (as an example)

[VeolE]

I will just pretend the job I want to play doesn't have positionals and nobody will notice because they are going to be too focused on their own gameplay.

Highlighted the crucial key parts. If more people can think like that, then maybe we wouldn't need to bring up these "positional" threads in the first place.

[hunter2]

Add more positionals please! (especially to Monk)
And give me some juicy feedback when I hit them, because it's difficult to tell that currently.

[Kathryn]

Highlighted the crucial key parts. If more people can think like that, then maybe we wouldn't need to bring up these "positional" threads in the first place.

Sadly I wish this were true, I had a Tank call me out on not doing positionals the other night and he blamed me that the dungeon was taking "noticeably longer", This is why I came to the forums to see if there were likeminded people like me who would like to play melee but dont have the physical dexterity to pull off all the positionals, guess ill just get shoehorned into RDPS and be alienated from playing melee.

[Aco505]

Sadly I wish this were true, I had a Tank call me out on not doing positionals the other night and he blamed me that the dungeon was taking "noticeably longer", This is why I came to the forums to see if there were likeminded people like me who would like to play melee but dont have the physical dexterity to pull off all the positionals, guess ill just get shoehorned into RDPS and be alienated from playing melee.

Positionals are not required to clear any content, and especially not dungeons. For those, AoE is what will make things noticeably faster during trash pulls and just normal single target rotations during bosses. That tank was just being a bit silly.

[Print_Screen]

At the end of the day, people should play jobs because they enjoy the rpg fantasy of it, not because it doesn't have an annoying gameplay mechanic. Alienating people who want to play samurai or ninja is far worse than alienating people who want to move left or right for half a second once or twice in their entire rotation.

I will just not do positionals regardless and the overall level of play will be lower in the community because it's simply not fun. I'm not going to play a job I don't want to play just because it doesn't have positionals. I will just pretend the job I want to play doesn't have positionals and nobody will notice because they are going to be too focused on their own gameplay.

At the end of the day, people should play a job for whatever reason they want. Its a videogame.

I like positionals. And to me, fun gameplay is more important than aesthetics. Why would the preferences of positional enjoyers be less important than the preferences of positional dislikers?

[ZiraZ]

Sadly I wish this were true, I had a Tank call me out on not doing positionals the other night and he blamed me that the dungeon was taking "noticeably longer", This is why I came to the forums to see if there were likeminded people like me who would like to play melee but dont have the physical dexterity to pull off all the positionals, guess ill just get shoehorned into RDPS and be alienated from playing melee.

I just can't believe this happened just purely because of positionals, mostly because it seems almost impossible to keep track of people doing positionals in a dungeon because it's mostly AOE, and also because just by being on the rear side of the boss you're getting most positionals automatically anyways, I mean unless you were dpsing from the front standing next to the tank all boss fight long?
If so you have bigger problems than just not doing positionals and he was probably just not happy with a dps standing next to him which is understandable, that's just not a good idea in general even if dungeon bosses don't cleave often.

[CelestiCer]

Functionally, Positionals encourage Non-Mandatory movement for Melees and how Tanks pull bosses. Removal only serves to simplify the game further. Hitting Positionals isn't hard to do, but landing them all the time? takes at least something. The Mathematical DPS gain/loss is negligible to not even account it as a game issue.

- Do Positionals gatekeep anyone?
No. Not from playing Melee jobs nor clearing Content as landing them is optional. The false conception that landing all Positionals mattering to clear x content = asinine.

- Do Positionals hold back Encounter Designs?
No. No proof that Dev's are & the past shown us that Square will make encounters/mechanics without taking into account if you can land positionals comfortably or at all. Managing/Wasting True North resources and thinking it matters is up to the players, even if the boss mindlessly teleports to the center of the arena.

- How much Fun is positionals?
This is subjective. For me? The thought of needing to do less for equal or more DPS output, isn't rewarding and is less Fun. If optional movement for tiny DPS gain isn't your cup of tea? great. Not for me. I care very little for Class fantasy after Square lawnmowed my Samurai's animations down to being a stabbing machine anyways. My Job is also dumb enough as it is. So I don't understand the obsessive fetishization many have on how optimally we all can collectively streamline XIV further in the hopes Square will replace anything we suggest to remove with something better... when they shown no track-record to me that they actually done so, but that's of course a lukewarm take.

- Conclusion?
Positional Topic is as non-issue as it is landing them all in Raids to me... i.e? about the last thing I'd worry about. Can it be better? Yes, though knowing Square, it probably wont? but its removal would erase that possibility completely. XIV has plenty of Gameplay/Job-issues to worry about in general. Positional removal is just another step down dunce-lane when Square ran multiple marathons through it already, mhm. I also don't like the idea of Tanks being encouraged to spin every Boss 360 degrees even more then it already is cause I care oh-so-much about my immersion...

[Andevom]

A step in the right direction is a clearer indication if you hit the positional correctly. Even just an asterisk after the HP damage number would go a long way in helping players know if they're properly executing the attack.