Discuss : Have boosts been detrimental to the playerbase

[Valence]

I am genuinely confused how you are somehow managing to connect effeminate males on YouTube with an increase in the design favouring lack of engagement especially since some of the people you’ve mentioned have stood in direct opposition to a lot of the changes that lead to this design decision

Isn’t this a (rather rude) pointless point to be making

We're in 2024 and we still casually read that kind of slur on the internet I guess. Colour me surprised.

[Rueby]

Last I checked soyboy is used as an insult or as a derogatory term/slur...I feel this entire explanation with examples was really unnecessary and gives off a really bad look.

Sauce

[rawker]

To be fair, these youtubers, labeled as soyboys, might actually be doing it, purposefully, for content or you know.. engaging with their audience since some of them make youtube as their source of income. So I don't judge.

[Merrigan]

Why TF should any player have to put in less effort than those who came before them?

Because there's a difference between the player who did everything the old-fashioned way, but only had two extensions to do the old-fashioned way, and the player who arrives and has to do five of them the old-fashioned way. It's not at all the same thing in terms of perception and state of mind when you start out.

As an aside: it would be good to stop using the 'I'm a former player' argument to excuse all the pseudo ""purist"" attitudes. If you really have a purist's attitude to the mmorpg genre, can I recommend games like Outward, Star Wars Galaxies, or T4C? These are all excellent games, and have nothing to do with FFXIV or WOW, the current mmorpg titles that are already, in themselves, the epitome of laziness if you compare them to their predecessors.

You shouldn't be allowed to purchase a job skip until you have Lv50 in that role. I often get skippers who are completely incapable of playing their role in dutyfinder with any level of competence. Skippers are also the ones who invariably have major attitude problems, such as screaming at people for "stealing aggro" and having usual the "sit down until you kick me" tantrum when called out on their obvious inexperience.

Very good! In that case, let's force all the players who've taken a big break to build a new character up to level 50. Oh, with a skill test as well, because some people are particularly slow to relearn the game. I'd also like all players below a certain dps to be excluded from my PF. Oh, and anyone who's a bit old too, they're too slow and everyone knows that boomers are unpleasant.

Seriously though, that's a strange argument. You come across people who aren't very good all the time in dungeons. I don't know where you get this prejudice about skipers having a bad attitude (I've never seen it myself), but a simple reminder ("you've skipped, but learning a character can take time; you should probably do a few low-level dungeons before jumping into the content of the current expansion") is enough.

[Gemina]

I am genuinely confused how you are somehow managing to connect effeminate males on YouTube with an increase in the design favouring lack of engagement especially since some of the people you’ve mentioned have stood in direct opposition to a lot of the changes that lead to this design decision

Isn’t this a (rather rude) pointless point to be making

This is because you only see what you want to see, as the soyboy youtuber actually has very little to do with my original post. It was just a one liner that another poster asked me to elaborate on, so I did. The majority of my statements pertain to skips and how/why I feel they are detrimental to the game, or did you miss those points in lieu of what you feel is entirely irrelevant?

Futhermore, the Youtubers I mentioned have nothing to do with the skips as I had not been specific about which ones I was talking about prior to being asked if I could provide examples of effeminate males on youtube, but I guess you missed that too due to your heightened emotional response. You fail to make the connection because I was never trying to connect them. I had asked if the effeminate youtuber is what represents the entirety of the playerbase, and lo and behold, here you are pointing out what you feel is irrelevant because you would rather be argumentative than stick to the topic at hand.

All that being said, I am not going to go searching through a bunch of videos to provide source links, but iirc:

Mr. Happy who I said is not effeminate said he was in favor of skips due to how lengthy the MSQ has become. This was around the time they were implemented into the game, which was well before EW.

Xeno expressed that the EW relics were the best yet in terms of how they decided to handle it. He is also highly in favor in the current state of WAR and said give healers more to do while not taking anything away from WAR.

Speakers of Hydealyn definitely have not been in favor of many of the decisions the dev team has made, but they do it while sounding like a pacifier has been ripped out of their mouths instead of producing rational and logical feedback. This is basically why I couldn't stand listening to them anymore.

I also mentioned and the women that walk all over them. While I did not specify anyone in particular, my thoughts immediately drifted to Zepla and the enormous amount of grifting she has done in the past.

So, does that clear things up a bit?

[TheMightyMollusk]

Wow, this thread certainly went places.

[Kuroka]

I still think boosts should only exist if you already played the game on one char and want to level another one - if you dont want to play the game or job then just... dont play.

[Kaurhz]

I still think boosts should only exist if you already played the game on one char and want to level another one - if you dont want to play the game or job then just... dont play.

Problem here is that there is hundreds of hours of watching story content just to actually play the game in any substantive manner, and this is part to do with SEs absolute poor care to meaningfully breathe life into lower level content, and partly for the point below..

XIV has a great story and all, but MSQ dominates the majority of what people will engage with for a good 200-300 hours, and everything else doesn't even come close. It's not until you finish Stormblood where players actually get a whiff of meaningful content, and this is also a problem because MSQ is heavily cutscene oriented to the point where it is more akin to watching a visual novel than what it is actually playing a game.

Equally going from a player having a full job kit to essentially starting from Level 1, or arguably even level 30 again is a pretty drab experience, that it also hardly constitutes as playing a job, more than what it does playing an absolute shell of a job.

[CaedemSanguis]

Final Fantasy 14 won't let you blast past its story for free anytime soon because Yoshi-P worried 'the value of the game itself will be diminished

Then they will miss a lot of long term player because HL content is gated behind 300 hours of msq or 40-50$

[Kuroka]

Problem here is that there is hundreds of hours of watching story content just to actually play the game in any substantive manner, and this is part to do with SEs absolute poor care to meaningfully breathe life into lower level content, and partly for the point below..

XIV has a great story and all, but MSQ dominates the majority of what people will engage with for a good 200-300 hours, and everything else doesn't even come close. It's not until you finish Stormblood where players actually get a whiff of meaningful content, and this is also a problem because MSQ is heavily cutscene oriented to the point where it is more akin to watching a visual novel than what it is actually playing a game.

Well what is meaningful content? whats actually worth it?

The Lala in my Profile Pic is the 2nd char i did all the story all over again - and id gladly do it again if id had more time lol

This game is story focused, if people dont like it, its just not the right game. We really dont need those ppl who skip every cutscene, rush to endgame, finish the patch and return for the next even numbered Patch or even expansion...