[Suggestion] Make average ilvl be the min ilvl required for all gear slots.

[TlachtgaSi]

The other day I had two runs where people were undergeared with initial equipment at the manor, one offending tank had level 1 armor in two slots and no jobstone which resulted in him having less defense and HP than me. I can understand having things 5-10 levels behind in the non-capped dungeons but if you end up with less HP and defense than the healer then you are clearly just trying to start a fight. A minimum item level wont work for earlygame dungeons for the reasons described above, but after a point it should at least mandate minimum defense or attack power depending on your role. Equipment is not hard to get in this game, even on F2P you are basically handed good equipment via your job quests and poetic vendors.

On that note, the argument that you could equip a Lv1 weapon doesn't hold water, because that would be considered griefing which is reportable and a valid reason to vote kick. Though it's not a listed reason on the prompt, not being able to reasonably fulfill your role is named as an example of unlisted but valid reasons in this post.

[Kazmarek]

On that note, the argument that you could equip a Lv1 weapon doesn't hold water, because that would be considered griefing which is reportable and a valid reason to vote kick. Though it's not a listed reason on the prompt, not being able to reasonably fulfill your role is named as an example of unlisted but valid reasons in this post.

I'd argue it *does* hold water, only because it's something the game itself would allow you to do. Once you actually get into whatever you're queueing into, it's in the hands of your other party members, but at that point the damage has been done. You've *already* queued, you've *already* wasted their time, the damage has *already* been done. Yes, they could kick you, report you, and yes, you could get suspended for griefing. But... you'll have to forgive me here, I don't really trust people to keep themselves adequately equipped anymore. I genuinely believe there should be more checks in place to ensure this sort of situation doesn't happen in the first place.

[TlachtgaSi]

The slot a kicked player leaves behind gets filled very quickly and the one who left the hole will not be missed. Last night I punted someone who caused multiple wipes by refusing to do Ascian Prime's mechanics (or even communicate for that matter) and the slot was filled before I could say "Let's wait for a new tank". Very little time is being wasted, not that time spent on an anime dressup simulator is valuable to begin with.

[Kazmarek]

I'm glad you've had a better experience with getting slots to fill than I have. Usually whenever a slot needs filling in whatever I'm doing, it takes a few minutes to actually get it filled.

But that second part... That's the thing, isn't it? You don't get to dictate the value of my time. Once again, I'm not asking for perfection, I'm not even asking for good. I'm asking for the bare minimum, and too many people just can't- or rather don't- provide the bare minimum.... Hence the entire reason for this post.

[TlachtgaSi]

Usually whenever a slot needs filling in whatever I'm doing, it takes a few minutes to actually get it filled.

Who's gonna tell her?

[Kazmarek]

Who's gonna tell her?

I'm gonna need you to be more clear, this comment is largely unhelpful and unproductive.

[vetch]

The slot a kicked player leaves behind gets filled very quickly and the one who left the hole will not be missed. Last night I punted someone who caused multiple wipes by refusing to do Ascian Prime's mechanics (or even communicate for that matter) and the slot was filled before I could say "Let's wait for a new tank". Very little time is being wasted, not that time spent on an anime dressup simulator is valuable to begin with.

The slot doesn't get filled quickly when someone loads in without equipment, because you can't kick someone until five minutes has passed and you can't kick someone while in combat and you can't kick someone while loot is available for roll. Showing up naked does not play out the same as chain-wiping the final boss in a lootless dungeon.

What actually happens in situations like these is that you notice something amiss, see the offending player's gear, and then quietly take a 30min leaver penalty and go do something else because you don't feel like arguing and it was Stone Vigil anyway.