Rework on the Arcanist class promoting pet management in Final Fantasy XIV

[EdenElsewhere]

Yeah, it's kinda mind boggling that a video game developer can openly excuse controversial design choice with "but it makes OUR job easier" and the fanbase eats it up. For example the entire 2 minute meta that dictates everything about gameplay right now.

I can only hope are burning up the goodwill they spent years cultivating as fast as they deserve, because I'd rather SE gets a wake up call sooner rather than later, before they repeat every single mistake other MMOs have already backtracked from.

EDIT: I mean, FF14 has basically managed to against all odds in a really tough competition make itself the fancy restaurant of MMOs. And right now that fancy restaurant is handing out paper plates and telling to our confused faces it's so much easier for them not have to invest in dishwasher. A lot of people, still star struck by the reputation, are nodding along and saying "sure that makes sense", but for anyone else it's pretty obvious that kind of coasting on your previously earned clout can't last for long.

Developers made the 2-minute meta in Endwalker because players were already doing it themselves. Classes that had an awkward burst (SMN had a mixture of a burst and sustained damage but was forced to work in the burst window because you skipped over most of your bahamut trance) forced themselves into the burst window. The devs have openly said that they were following what the players were doing. We dug our own graves here.

And people who hate current summoner are more of a loud minority. Happy people don't have a reason to be loud. While yes, really braindead class, it's okay to have a variety of classes.

[Asari5]

just don't bring back the DoTs please. what scared me away from Arcanist pre-EW was the feeling that I was doing more DoTs than...actually commanding anything.

and now smn command something?

[rawker]

And people who hate current summoner are more of a loud minority...

I'm sorry but as someone who have played the game since 1.0, ARR, and HW, I have thoroughly enjoyed playing the old SMN and SCH. So, you including me to the minority who hated EW SMN (imo hate is an understatement, I despise it) is an insult.

The problem was that they started the job as a pet class it should've stayed as such. Thanks.

[EdenElsewhere]

I'm sorry but as someone who have played the game since 1.0, ARR, and HW, I have thoroughly enjoyed playing the old SMN and SCH. So, you including me to the minority who hated EW SMN (imo hate is an understatement, I despise it) is an insult.

The problem was that they started the job as a pet class it should've stayed as such. Thanks.

and many people who have played SMN before the rework also love it.

I hated Summoner before the rework. Something was always floating. There wasn't an identity. You were failing at the class if you didn't have your three dots up during burst.

That's another thing as well. You skipped bahamut trance during burst, which is where a lot of it's utility lies (I loved using Bahamut trance to rez people).

As a smn/sch main as well, I liked old smn, but I love new smn and at least I can take into savage and feel comfy with it. And I have talked to a lot of my smn friends, and even those who liked the old version also enjoy the new version.

Happy people are quiet. Not to mention, the forums are a loud circle of self indulging misery. Yeah, I would consider people who hate new smn a loud minority.

[Ancalagon_Blacktalon]

and now smn command something?

I would argue that just because the current way the class is now doesn't mean the original version of the class was fulfilling the "job fantasy" either. DoTs are like.....Green Mage stuff, why did we have that in our class ostensibly meant to order a pet around?

[rawker]

and many people who have played SMN before the rework also love it.

I hated Summoner before the rework. Something was always floating. There wasn't an identity. You were failing at the class if you didn't have your three dots up during burst.

That's another thing as well. You skipped bahamut trance during burst, which is where a lot of it's utility lies (I loved using Bahamut trance to rez people).

As a smn/sch main as well, I liked old smn, but I love new smn and at least I can take into savage and feel comfy with it. And I have talked to a lot of my smn friends, and even those who liked the old version also enjoy the new version.

Happy people are quiet. Not to mention, the forums are a loud circle of self indulging misery. Yeah, I would consider people who hate new smn a loud minority.

goodd for you but to me, i find it very difficult to love it. I will still continue to fight for old SMN to come back.

[EdenElsewhere]

goodd for you but to me, i find it very difficult to love it. I will still continue to fight for old SMN to come back.

It's not going to happen. I suggest trying to find happiness in Pictomancer or Beastmaster. Or maybe even finding a different game. Hate to say this, but even if you got old SMN back, I doubt it would come back hale and whole. It would likely be trimmed of dots, as Yoshi and the others seem to be moving away from those.

But honestly, we're never getting old pet mechs, and honestly, for the sake of your own happiness, I suggest dropping the game or just letting go. Life is too short to fighting against something you can just stop. Annd the thing is, the majority is against you. They're not going to add back pet management or old summoner. Even at best, most people who don't like the new smn are just more ambivalent about it.

The game as a whole has been made easier, and is baby's first mmo, as it is made for people who aren't used to mmos but wanna play Final Fantasy. FFXIV is easy across the board. They're not going to go back. This is what is making them money.

[rawker]

I don't mind dots to be trimmed for as long as I have a proper pet management. What drew me in to ACN is the pets. And while I will play BST, I will still want a mainline job to be represented. It started off as one.. It should build it up from there.

[DPZ2]

As someone whose Main was Hunter for the ten years I played World of Warcraft, I would like to point out that the pet management system in this game was double-plus ungood from the start. It is now in a much better place.

In this game, pets were "extra DPS with major target/movement issues" that is, thankfully, no longer necessary.

[unjourneyed]

I, too, was interested in ACN/SMN when I first started as because of the pet (how neat was it to be able to actually command something), but it simply doesn't exist anymore and more likely will be moved towards BST.
ACN/SMN is more of flashy effect every summon, but it makes people happy so they can focus on things outside of gameplay during most content, or so I hear.

It was a nice read though, always interesting in seeing what people come up with.