Can we have the hellhound gearset available to buy with Trophy Crystals?

[Moqi]

Yes but there are people who do assign value to it. Should we really take it away from them?

You post your grievances like we do and it's up to SE to try and upset the least amount of people possible with their decisions. I don't care that you're upset it loses values as much as you don't care that I can't have it anymore. All we can do is speak our mind here and hope it goes our way.

As for me, glamour has no value. Nothing in this game does, it's a videogame. I just want to play with as many toys as possible.

[Cynric]

You post your grievances like we do and it's up to SE to try and upset the least amount of people possible with their decisions. I don't care that you're upset it loses values as much as you don't care that I can't have it anymore. All we can do is speak our mind here and hope it goes our way.

As for me, glamour has no value. Nothing in this game does, it's a videogame. I just want to play with as many toys as possible.

I see this argument a lot in this thread. But it's really not true is it?

If the glamour pieces were meaningless pixels nobody would care if they had or didn't have them. Which means that people having them locked off also shouldn't matter.

But in truth they mean something enough for people to get upset over not having them. Which means they do have some sort of value. If they were meaningless like how people keep saying the titles are, than nobody would want them to begin with. As was referenced many times, no one complains about lacking the titles. Though I'm sure someone somewhere wishes they could get them too since people collect all sorts of things in this game.

The items can't both be meaningless and also meaningful enough to make threads about lacking them.

It's hard to argue that pixels have no value when we have people complaining that their characters they've had for years were messed up in the recent benchmark and getting very upset over it. Why should anyone care about any of this stuff if these digital things are meaningless with no value?

We assign value to things we deem important in some way, whether it's digital or in the real world. The value assigned will be subjective and change person to person, but if people didn't find value in it at all, I doubt they would complain very much. Usually people are complaining because they value something in some way. Whether its just a tool to play with until you're bored or something you value more, if you took the time to obtain it and spent effort on obtaining it, you probably value it even if only a little bit. There are after all thousands of items in the game, and most people do not waste effort obtaining every single item that exists, they obtain the ones they find value in. Whether its because its aesthetically pleasing, or powerful, or just because they need item level, there is a value there.

[Nyxs]

If the glamour pieces were meaningless pixels nobody would care if they had or didn't have them. Which means that people having them locked off also shouldn't matter..

You know what they mean. They dont tie it to an accomplishment. For them its like getting dressed in the morning, they dont need a title for “I got dressed on (date)” its just another thing they got to use like a fork or cup.

I still stand on my hill of putting all that stuff for pvp currency. Its old stuff that more people could get a use out of instead of being locked to 1%

[Cynric]

You know what they mean. They dont tie it to an accomplishment. For them its like getting dressed in the morning, they dont need a title for “I got dressed on (date)” its just another thing they got to use like a fork or cup.

I still stand on my hill of putting all that stuff for pvp currency. Its old stuff that more people could get a use out of instead of being locked to 1%

That's certainly an interesting interpretation. Though even with what you've said, I would argue that I put value in the clothes I wear each day, I don't get dressed the same way I do going to school that I would going to work. The clothes I wore to graduation and to my wedding hold a special place in my heart and I value them differently than I do my other clothes. Both of those were accomplishments I'm proud of.

Sometimes I wear a tshirt and sometimes I don't, but even the shirts that I have, I bought them because I liked how they looked or how they were designed. I'm sure everyone doesn't necessarily assign the same value that I do to the clothes I wear, and even cups can have value. I have special cups I got from events that I really like and I would be sad if they broke because I can't get them again.

So I'll say again that anything can have some level of value.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That's certainly an interesting interpretation. Though even with what you've said, I would argue that I put value in the clothes I wear each day, I don't get dressed the same way I do going to school that I would going to work. The clothes I wore to graduation and to my wedding hold a special place in my heart and I value them differently than I do my other clothes. Both of those were accomplishments I'm proud of.

Sometimes I wear a tshirt and sometimes I don't, but even the shirts that I have, I bought them because I liked how they looked or how they were designed. I'm sure everyone doesn't necessarily assign the same value that I do to the clothes I wear, and even cups can have value. I have special cups I got from events that I really like and I would be sad if they broke because I can't get them again.

So I'll say again that anything can have some level of value.

Yes, and the pvp top 100 stuff seems to only have value for the 3 hardcore pvpers in this thread because no one else can have them. Not because it represents to them something they worked hard for, or memorable fights they had while climbing the ladder.

Note that none of them have mentioned anything like that, just that "you weren't good enough". It's all an ego thing for them.

[Moqi]

I see this argument a lot in this thread. But it's really not true is it?

It is, you are just misunderstanding what we mean. Every piece of glamour is just that and they all have the same "value": either you need them for your look or you don't. It doesn't matter if it's an Ultimate weapon, a top 10 PVP coat or starter gear, they're all the same.

[hexxxx]

Kind reminder that all I am asking for in place of the items returning is some form of item tooltip mark (item quality, a star in the name, a rank number, a flavourtext) to be applied to the originals. Because frankly, we care enough that we want to be told apart from people who obtained the replica as players who own the original.

My only gripe with most of you is "how" the new replicas are supposed to be obtained. They should be obtainable with no limitation to item number, but shouldn't exactly be a freebie like moogle tomestones, wolfmarks or trophy crystals - that is my only take on the matter where I am adamant on and will argue for a form of light-weight ranked obtainment method that can be done even at Bronze, just like pre-6.1 Wolfcollars but better and modern.

This is not to artificially create scarcity but to instead encourage interaction with content in need of it. We argue for similar treatment in Criterion, don't we?

Beyond that, let everyone have it, I don't care. Glamour be glamour, just let mine stand out in a tooltip or something.

I like this idea a lot. There aren't a whole lot of good uses for commendation crystals at the moment so making (clearly indicated) replicas of old feast rewards available in exchange for those would do a lot to help stimulate ranked queues.

The gear should ideally still have some barrier to acquisition. I think there'll be complaints from oldhead Feasters about "stolen valor" regardless, but making it available for straight wolf marks or trophy crystals is like making ultimate weapons buyable for tomestones. It should still be a reward for considerable effort.

And I should also say that, just because people acquire rare rewards illegitimately, that's no excuse to devalue the hard work of those who truly earned it. So long as there are skill requirements, there will be cheaters. You don't solve the problem of cheating by removing skill requirements, you solve cheating by banning cheaters. (Something CBU3 has been historically negligent to do, at least as far as PvP is concerned.)

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Yes, and the pvp top 100 stuff seems to only have value for the 3 hardcore pvpers in this thread because no one else can have them. Not because it represents to them something they worked hard for, or memorable fights they had while climbing the ladder.

Note that none of them have mentioned anything like that, just that "you weren't good enough". It's all an ego thing for them.

...please kindly stop projecting. Just because we don't regale in tales of glory in this thread (which noone would care for anyways) and sing ballads of what the rewards mean to us does not mean all we care for is that we have them and others don't.

I hazard a guess that there are also a lot of Top 100 players who see the reactions in this thread, see it as an absolute cesspool of responses and continue avoiding the forums. I for one am getting my leg pulled on discords for even being this active around here...

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

It is, you are just misunderstanding what we mean. Every piece of glamour is just that and they all have the same "value": either you need them for your look or you don't. It doesn't matter if it's an Ultimate weapon, a top 10 PVP coat or starter gear, they're all the same.

That's really reductive. Everyone is free to assign personal value to what they earned as they please. Someone's first or specific ultimate weapon will hold a greater value than "just glamour" just like a specific armour set or mount they fought hard for. Just because someone else or possibly you see it as "just glamour" does not mean that it is just that to someone else, nor should that be the default assumption.

[Moqi]

That's really reductive. Everyone is free to assign personal value to what they earned as they please. Someone's first or specific ultimate weapon will hold a greater value than "just glamour" just like a specific armour set or mount they fought hard for. Just because someone else or possibly you see it as "just glamour" does not mean that it is just that to someone else, nor should that be the default assumption.

It would be a more productive discussion if you read the posts you're replying to before butting in, since I am literally explaining why some people don't assign it any value to somebody who asked precisely that.