Can we have the hellhound gearset available to buy with Trophy Crystals?

[Doozer]

Not everyone, but many. You were the guy who wanted to hear opinions from people who don't do the content, of which you did a lot of. I projected the PvP discussion onto PotD and now you are telling me that I have to keep it separated after all, because it is different?

You literally just parroted a made-up person to try to make a point about how people feel about deep dungeons when it's not your opinion. You basically just said "you know if you changed PvP to PotD it would really be something huh" as if that meant anything. And now you're just strawmanning. You can't have your cake and eat it too, either the different types of content (and therefore the way the community approaches them) are the same or different. You can't change the argument to suit whatever point you're making.

As well, when I said I'd be willing to hear from people who may not do the content, I meant actual thoughts and feelings about it. Tell me how you actually feel about deep dungeons (there's more than PotD, by the way) and then maybe we can talk about it. I believe "bad faith" is a common phrase on these forums, so I assume I don't have to explain to you why that comes to mind here.

Are we seriously comparing an Olympic athelte to playing a videogame??

That's what this guy thinks he is for playing a dead game mode, apparently.

[Moqi]

That's what this guy thinks he is for playing a dead game mode, apparently.

What's hilarious is that most people just want the gear for glamour, they don't care about "prestige" at all. If they sold replica PvP gear for 500gil nobody would be posting here, just like anybody who wants a gold medal for the sake of it can go buy a fake one and be happy.

(and the reason they don't do that is because nobody would play PvP otherwise)

[Bonoki]

What's hilarious is that most people just want the gear for glamour, they don't care about "prestige" at all. If they sold replica PvP gear for 500gil nobody would be posting here, just like anybody who wants a gold medal for the sake of it can go buy a fake one and be happy.

(and the reason they don't do that is because nobody would play PvP otherwise)

You're spot on. Prestige doesn't resonate with most folks—it's glamour they crave. You can't compel anyone to value prestige. For many, it's a hollow status, lacking true significance. After all, nobody is obligated to applaud your accomplishments.
The worth of prestige relies solely on whether people assign it value.

[Tint]

You're spot on. Prestige doesn't resonate with most folks—it's glamour they crave. You can't compel anyone to value prestige. For many, it's a hollow status, lacking true significance. After all, nobody is obligated to applaud your accomplishments.
The worth of prestige relies solely on whether people assign it value.

Yes but there are people who do assign value to it. Should we really take it away from them?

But your post got me thinking:

Does glamour can have prestige?

Do people feel proud when they come up with a new glamour combination which looks really good?

Do they feel they need to change their look when everyone else is wearing the same clothes?

Assigning significance to glamour is just as hollow as assigning prestige to some virtual items.

So: Why should glamour have a greater value than prestige?

[Vallerie]

Does glamour can have prestige?

Do people feel proud when they come up with a new glamour combination which looks really good?

Do they feel they need to change their look when everyone else is wearing the same clothes?

Glamour doesn't really have prestige, because you're the only person who knows you are the one who came up with it - for anyone else knows, you just copied it from someone else or like...eorzea collection.

If you're good at creating cohesive looks and presenting them well you might get compliments, like you might get with any creative endeavour, but imho if you're only doing it for the compliments, you're doing it wrong.

[Moqi]

Yes but there are people who do assign value to it. Should we really take it away from them?

You post your grievances like we do and it's up to SE to try and upset the least amount of people possible with their decisions. I don't care that you're upset it loses values as much as you don't care that I can't have it anymore. All we can do is speak our mind here and hope it goes our way.

As for me, glamour has no value. Nothing in this game does, it's a videogame. I just want to play with as many toys as possible.

[Cynric]

You post your grievances like we do and it's up to SE to try and upset the least amount of people possible with their decisions. I don't care that you're upset it loses values as much as you don't care that I can't have it anymore. All we can do is speak our mind here and hope it goes our way.

As for me, glamour has no value. Nothing in this game does, it's a videogame. I just want to play with as many toys as possible.

I see this argument a lot in this thread. But it's really not true is it?

If the glamour pieces were meaningless pixels nobody would care if they had or didn't have them. Which means that people having them locked off also shouldn't matter.

But in truth they mean something enough for people to get upset over not having them. Which means they do have some sort of value. If they were meaningless like how people keep saying the titles are, than nobody would want them to begin with. As was referenced many times, no one complains about lacking the titles. Though I'm sure someone somewhere wishes they could get them too since people collect all sorts of things in this game.

The items can't both be meaningless and also meaningful enough to make threads about lacking them.

It's hard to argue that pixels have no value when we have people complaining that their characters they've had for years were messed up in the recent benchmark and getting very upset over it. Why should anyone care about any of this stuff if these digital things are meaningless with no value?

We assign value to things we deem important in some way, whether it's digital or in the real world. The value assigned will be subjective and change person to person, but if people didn't find value in it at all, I doubt they would complain very much. Usually people are complaining because they value something in some way. Whether its just a tool to play with until you're bored or something you value more, if you took the time to obtain it and spent effort on obtaining it, you probably value it even if only a little bit. There are after all thousands of items in the game, and most people do not waste effort obtaining every single item that exists, they obtain the ones they find value in. Whether its because its aesthetically pleasing, or powerful, or just because they need item level, there is a value there.

[Nyxs]

If the glamour pieces were meaningless pixels nobody would care if they had or didn't have them. Which means that people having them locked off also shouldn't matter..

You know what they mean. They dont tie it to an accomplishment. For them its like getting dressed in the morning, they dont need a title for “I got dressed on (date)” its just another thing they got to use like a fork or cup.

I still stand on my hill of putting all that stuff for pvp currency. Its old stuff that more people could get a use out of instead of being locked to 1%

[Moqi]

I see this argument a lot in this thread. But it's really not true is it?

It is, you are just misunderstanding what we mean. Every piece of glamour is just that and they all have the same "value": either you need them for your look or you don't. It doesn't matter if it's an Ultimate weapon, a top 10 PVP coat or starter gear, they're all the same.

[Boa-Noah]

But in truth they mean something enough for people to get upset over not having them. Which means they do have some sort of value.

Wrong, sorry but people that want access to glamor pieces so they can further their options for glam is not the same as value, no one here wants Hellhound gear to be available as a replica so they can try and brag about winning Feast, people want it because the shoulders look great or the helmet looks cool or the boots would fit in really well with their theme, but at the end of the day they are valueless meaningless pixels just the same as an Ultimate weapon is or a title, when the game dies sometime in the future none of it will matter, nothing lasts forever.

So no, they are meaningless, people want them so they can look cool, not for some imagined 'prestige' people like to pretend they have.