Can we have the hellhound gearset available to buy with Trophy Crystals?

[Boa-Noah]

It is still a fairly high number...

It is literally not a high number, but to be generous, let's say there's 800 accounts right now with the Dreadnought mount, let's be generous and say none of those people win-traded or benefitted from anything 'unfun' to get their mount and every single one is an individual account with no duplicate entries or spots. Now to be unfair let's compare that to purely live active accounts (as of 4 months from what I can tell) and the total amount of all accounts registered (including unsubbed, bots, alts, whatever else) for a full picture as Dreadnought was in Feast 20 and near as I can tell that was the last Feast and thus the one with the most winners possible.

First up, that's 0.004% of 17,356,853 total active accounts (public) and would only get smaller and smaller if you were somehow to track non-public active accounts as well.

Next that's 0.002%, so of 30,000,000 accounts (as listed in the 'last 10 years' statistics released) only that miniscule fraction could even feasibly have a Dreadnought.

According to those same statistics the majority of players started during Shadowbringers which means a majority of players in the game never even had a chance to compete for the Hellhound set let alone any of the other earlier Feast seasons, that's pretty bull if you ask me. Now to throw more numbers I've seen multiple websites claim that there's about 51.1 million total accounts which would drop the total playerbase percentage at 0.001%, talk about a big OOF right there, now looking at Feast rewards multiple seasons had armors and many more had mounts, each one is theoretically locked to only 0.002% of players. Further let's look at monetary support as a fun little side thing, let's say maybe half of the total accounts are subscribed, in a single month half the total accounts (15,000,000 players) bring in 224,850,000.00$ USD (assuming a standard subscription fee for a single month), of that a meager 11,992.00$ USD comes from all 800 Feast players. Legacy account numbers aren't really available so I'll just use the Legacy Chocobo numbers from active accounts, so that's 3,305 right now (from public accounts or whatever FFXIV Collect tracks), those players paying a Legacy subscription fee of 9.99$ USD bring in 33,016.95$ USD per month... so not only are Feast rewards undeservedly limited but they're entirely trophies for a fraction of the possible monetary support they generate, does that make sense?

Feast top 100 players make up less than a fraction of the total playerbase, generate less than a fraction of the total revenue, and get MORE special rewards than actual Legacy players from 1.0 got.

Again, does that make ANY sense to you?

[GTK0HLK]

My opinion is, that PvP is like sport, you don't go to Michael Phelps and tell him "yo bro your gold medal from the olympics is so old now, they should just give us a copy of yours, because I can swim too, even if I am much slower". Why would anyone ever play ranked PvP and compete seriously, if everything is free for everyone...

It's not, and it won't be treated as a sport as long as it doesn't have what other Sports got.

A Mesurable difference in skill.

You know why people don't ask Michael Phelps for a Copy of his Medals.

Cause it's Fn obvious he earned it with hard work and effort.

He earned that at the moment, that moment will never change.

He got the Prestige of being the best at that exact time in history.

What do Gamers Get in FFXIV Fomo for a small community rewards. Nothing.
Only the fact that they did at the time.

No one can take that away from them.

All this did, is prove my PoV that the memory is what matters.

What is that? the Medal they Earned?
It's the spot on the Leaderboard.

The Recognition?
From the people that lived there, and those who keep track of that history.

If you really want to do go that path.
The medal is only a piece of Specifically Colored Material that can be manufactured as many times as needed.

Since we are on about Rewards, not the Merit Itself.(Which if anything, it would be the Plate/Portrait Frames. <Though in that case, I'd want them to be the Number for how many times the tiers was reached. Rather than the Season. It's be more impressive then, and actual merit measurement>)

Which was only a Infinitely reproducible item meant to drive populations into a Gamemode only interesting by the Dedicated or Fomo.

The Topic has always been fomo.
Your False Equivalence of Code = Everything. Is not the reward.

Your memory, and placement in the Board is what is the reward for ranking high.

And if Population/influx of players was the root source. It should of always been the engaging gameplay, and Ease of not feeling pressured, but being enticed naturally into cause you enjoy it is why.

[Also why I always say that the Region Wide PVP DF will help a decent chunk with having more players in the content. Also allows "Championships" a chance to potentially fight against actual Peers.]

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Also, don't sports trophies and medals regularly get sold off by the winners?

[Moqi]

Are we seriously comparing an Olympic athelte to playing a videogame??

[Doozer]

Not everyone, but many. You were the guy who wanted to hear opinions from people who don't do the content, of which you did a lot of. I projected the PvP discussion onto PotD and now you are telling me that I have to keep it separated after all, because it is different?

You literally just parroted a made-up person to try to make a point about how people feel about deep dungeons when it's not your opinion. You basically just said "you know if you changed PvP to PotD it would really be something huh" as if that meant anything. And now you're just strawmanning. You can't have your cake and eat it too, either the different types of content (and therefore the way the community approaches them) are the same or different. You can't change the argument to suit whatever point you're making.

As well, when I said I'd be willing to hear from people who may not do the content, I meant actual thoughts and feelings about it. Tell me how you actually feel about deep dungeons (there's more than PotD, by the way) and then maybe we can talk about it. I believe "bad faith" is a common phrase on these forums, so I assume I don't have to explain to you why that comes to mind here.

Are we seriously comparing an Olympic athelte to playing a videogame??

That's what this guy thinks he is for playing a dead game mode, apparently.

[Moqi]

That's what this guy thinks he is for playing a dead game mode, apparently.

What's hilarious is that most people just want the gear for glamour, they don't care about "prestige" at all. If they sold replica PvP gear for 500gil nobody would be posting here, just like anybody who wants a gold medal for the sake of it can go buy a fake one and be happy.

(and the reason they don't do that is because nobody would play PvP otherwise)

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Guys... please.

You can dislike it all you want and I even am for rerelease, but let's please actually be genuine and stop the degrading of people's achievements and why people put value in their respectively earned rewards.

Being in the top 100 in feast is by no margin equal or similar to being an olympic winner, but Feast most definitely had:

- a measurable difference in skill
- a measuring point to define who was the best at that point (i.e. season)

Genuine players put in genuine effort to be good enough to qualify for it at the time. You are free to call it a dead gamemode now, but at the time it very much was an active competition and generally better looking rewards drove fiercer competition. I'd kindly ask to let people who actually were actively present in those days be the judge of Feast being a "massive grind" as some say or fundamentally a competition.

If you want to make the argument of cheating and wintrading, yes it is a shame they exist, however while the fault ultimately lies with CBU3's carelessness in the western PvP scene, it is fundamentally not fair to devalue the achievement of genuine players because of bad apples existing.

Even in physical sports cheating and wintrading exists, but the difference is much fiercer control and measures. This does not mean that your favourite team or athlete should have their achievement devalued because of people being paranoid of the existence of cheaters.

Also let's not get heated brcause people use olympics as a metaphor or analogy. Bit unfair how much you guys tear into Justitia for making a comparison of an IRL system with a physical troohy tied to it.

To sum it up - please refrain from trying to argue how little a physical/obtainable and unique reward is supposed to matter to a person. Forgive me for saying this, but this just invokes the idea of jealousy if you argue that way. I have serious doubts we get anywhere close to a potential rerelease if we devalue people's achievements, effort and time investment, regardless of how unfair we may find the inherent limitation.

[Doozer]

If you want to make the argument of cheating and wintrading, yes it is a shame they exist, however while the fault ultimately lies with CBU3's carelessness in the western PvP scene, it is fundamentally not fair to devalue the achievement of genuine players because of bad apples existing.

So you're saying that someone's accomplishment is not devalued by other people getting the same rewards despite not playing fairly (or at all)?

[Moqi]

No one is jealous, it's just a very bad comparison. People just want to look pretty and PVP has unique gear models. That's why you don't see anyone complaining about not being able to get Feast titles.

[Doozer]

No one is jealous, it's just a very bad comparison. People just want to look pretty and PVP has unique gear models. That's why you don't see anyone complaining about not being able to get Feast titles.

Agreed. I spend a lot of time in the game making glamours and it is frustrating that some items are locked behind insane achievements or are just flat-out unobtainable. Nobody actually wins by having them inaccessible.