Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[ty_taurus]

We cannot keep adding more healing abilities until we have enough outgoing damage for the heals we already have, because right now we have way too many for what the game asks of us. Not to mention the burden of knowledge is already too high for the average player to even keep track of all the different heals available to them.

We cannot keep increasing the damage of each healer's spammable attack spell, as that continues to pressure healers more and more to have as close to 100% DPS uptime as possible. We should actually be reducing the damage of each spammable attack spell by redirecting that potency into new attacks to relieve that pressure because it's way too high as it stands.

Healers should be rewarded for improving, but instead they're punished with miserable gameplay. No other role would tolerate playing a level 4 job at level 90. Why should healers?

[Aravell]

We cannot keep increasing the damage of each healer's spammable attack spell, as that continues to pressure healers more and more to have as close to 100% DPS uptime as possible.

I think they're seeing this problem as well, the potency boost they gave the filler spell in EW was very small.

I wouldn't be surprised if DT doesn't upgrade any of the damage spells and instead upgrades our GCD heals (funny that they think the GCD heals matter), like the common theory of a Medica II upgrade after the benchmark released.

[Aidorouge]

Edit: Another thing I'd like to add is that overhealing isn't punished. In previous expansions, healers who overhealed build aggro overtime, which caused mobs / trash pulls to turn away from the tank and attack the healers occasionally. I'd like this to come back in DT as the mechanic taught healers not to overheal in fights.

Oof, glad I missed when that was a thing, would have made my attempt at trying to play healer even worse.

[ty_taurus]

I think they're seeing this problem as well, the potency boost they gave the filler spell in EW was very small.

I wouldn't be surprised if DT doesn't upgrade any of the damage spells and instead upgrades our GCD heals (funny that they think the GCD heals matter), like the common theory of a Medica II upgrade after the benchmark released.

Tbh, I have nothing against upgrading GCD heals for the sole purpose of making the animations not dull and old as hell. You might never see them, but I'd rather they at least have nice looking animations, which I think is true for Medica III. Whatever AST's upgraded Helios is though... Eh... the Mt Gulg Sin Eater look doesn't really make sense to me. But what I've been saying is, if the only new healing they have to show for DT is upgraded animations for heals we already have, then that's honestly good news.

[Aravell]

Tbh, I have nothing against upgrading GCD heals for the sole purpose of making the animations not dull and old as hell. You might never see them, but I'd rather they at least have nice looking animations, which I think is true for Medica III. Whatever AST's upgraded Helios is though... Eh... the Mt Gulg Sin Eater look doesn't really make sense to me. But what I've been saying is, if the only new healing they have to show for DT is upgraded animations for heals we already have, then that's honestly good news.

I wouldn't celebrate yet, the benchmark usually shows healers healing anyway. It's the job actions trailer and media tour that will show us if any feedback actually went through.

[ty_taurus]

I wouldn't celebrate yet, the benchmark usually shows healers healing anyway. It's the job actions trailer and media tour that will show us if any feedback actually went through.

Not celebrating, but I'm not gonna rag on it either you know? I'm pretty convinced the Sage animation isn't Toxikon 3 as well, so that's something I'm feeling more pleased with. And I don't think it's Dyskrasia III either. Dyskrasia is point-blank while this new attack clearly isn't.

[currentlemon]

Not celebrating, but I'm not gonna rag on it either you know? I'm pretty convinced the Sage animation isn't Toxikon 3 as well, so that's something I'm feeling more pleased with. And I don't think it's Dyskrasia III either. Dyskrasia is point-blank while this new attack clearly isn't.

I'm in the same boat. If our "New" healing abilities are just upgrades, then it's an acknowledgement by the dev team that Healers don't need brand new healing abilities. They are fine where they are now, but they still need to flesh out the kit. I don't believe SGE's new ability is an upgrade to Toxikon either, but rather, a new ability. What that ability is, we'll have to find out in May.

[Supersnow845]

They should have upgraded the GCD heals when they added the increased healing magic potency trait considering the garbage scaling of the GCD heals was way more prevalent in ShB than it is now because we have that trait

At least then they could have argued they were sequestering visual upgrades into one expansion (though SCH still has like 5 other skills that need upgrades visually), but if they try to sell us succor 2 as gameplay changing then they really have no idea what they are doing

[ty_taurus]

I'm in the same boat. If our "New" healing abilities are just upgrades, then it's an acknowledgement by the dev team that Healers don't need brand new healing abilities. They are fine where they are now, but they still need to flesh out the kit. I don't believe SGE's new ability is an upgrade to Toxikon either, but rather, a new ability. What that ability is, we'll have to find out in May.

I think what I'm more cautious about with the upcoming changes is this new attack and whatever other changes actually cutting into the Dosis spam problem (and like problems for the other healers). Like Scholar having a new OGCD attack is great, but if it's just one extra attack every 120 seconds, that doesn't exactly address the gameplay issue. For me, my biggest wish list in order of importance for Sage looks like this:

1. Fix Toxikon--make it a worthwhile DPS tool that I regularly interact with.
2. Decrease the duration of the DOT to 15 seconds and the cooldown of Phlegma to 20 seconds to make Sage feel more fast paced like in PVP.
3. Add at least a couple new attacks to Sage's arsenal, preferably ones used more frequently than once per 120 seconds.
4. Turn Pneuma into an actual DPS tool, preferably with a shorter cooldown. I want my laser to be a part of my attack pattern, not a glorified Cure III that's DPS neutral.

Points 2 and 3 can kinda be interchangeable depending on what those new attacks are. If they're just some longer cooldowns, then point 2 is more important to me. But if the new attacks resolve what I'm looking for from point 2, which is overall faster paced DPS gameplay, then I'm fine keeping the DOT and Phlegma cooldown where they are.

[currentlemon]

I think what I'm more cautious about with the upcoming changes is this new attack and whatever other changes actually cutting into the Dosis spam problem (and like problems for the other healers). Like Scholar having a new OGCD attack is great, but if it's just one extra attack every 120 seconds, that doesn't exactly address the gameplay issue. For me, my biggest wish list in order of importance for Sage looks like this:

1. Fix Toxikon--make it a worthwhile DPS tool that I regularly interact with.
2. Decrease the duration of the DOT to 15 seconds and the cooldown of Phlegma to 20 seconds to make Sage feel more fast paced like in PVP.
3. Add at least a couple new attacks to Sage's arsenal, preferably ones used more frequently than once per 120 seconds.
4. Turn Pneuma into an actual DPS tool, preferably with a shorter cooldown. I want my laser to be a part of my attack pattern, not a glorified Cure III that's DPS neutral.

Points 2 and 3 can kinda be interchangeable depending on what those new attacks are. If they're just some longer cooldowns, then point 2 is more important to me. But if the new attacks resolve what I'm looking for from point 2, which is overall faster paced DPS gameplay, then I'm fine keeping the DOT and Phlegma cooldown where they are.

Good suggestions. I have a few suggestions for WHM myself.

1. Have Cure 1 and Medica 1 merge and upgrade to their stronger GCD abilities. No more Free Cure Trap.

2. Merge the two water shields, Divine Benson and Aquaviel, into one button.

3. Decrease Aero / Dia’s DoT timer to 12 or 18 seconds.

4. Reintroduce a reworked Fluid Aura and upgrade it to a proper Water DPS ability that has a 15 or 20 second cooldown.

5. Find a way to include Holy into WHM’s single target rotation.

If all or some these suggestions happen to WHM in DT, I’d be satisfied.