Can we have the hellhound gearset available to buy with Trophy Crystals?

[PotatoTree]

That is probably the cringiest thing I've ever seen on the forums, trolls included. If someone has something, it doesn't matter if you think they have skill. "Deserve". Get out of here.

So that's a no then? Let's ignore any past fomo rewards, even in current CC you have some ranked participation experience right? Please tell me you have some teeth in the game outside of "I just want the shiny loot"?

Because for example if I never even attempted Necromancer, why should my opinion on PoTD balance/rewards/gameplay or whatever even matter? The same applies here.

[Doozer]

Because for example if I never even attempted Necromancer, why should my opinion on PoTD balance/rewards/gameplay or whatever even matter? The same applies here.

I do have a solo deep dungeon title, and I think it's fair to listen to what people have to say about the balance/rewards/gameplay. I'd be interested in hearing what keeps them away or what might make them more interested in attempting it. So now what?

[Commander_Justitia]

They're not different, both are pixels in a videogame and the only reason Feast rewards would be treated 'special' is the artificial rarity, most of which being from the fact that they're rewards from DEAD content. Anyone that thinks grinding at ranked PVP is more 'special' than throwing yourself at Ultimate prog are delusional honestly, both require time and effort and both are as accessible as each other, there's no reason Feast rewards should be a holy grail of untouchable perfection when Ultimate rewards are right there for any one at any time to work on.

Heck, the Porxie King which was a time-limited Japan ONLY promotion has 319 active accounts with it, Dreadnought which is the most widely owned Feast reward has a meager 126.

The Legacy only Goobbue awarded to 1.0 players has about 1,683 of them kicking around, about 13 times the people that completed Feast season 20, the Lone Hellhound from Feast season 3 is at a whopping 59, 28 times more people got the Legacy Goobbue compared to people who got top 100 in Feast season 3.

There is literally no reason on the planet that Feast rewards should be that rare except for the fact people that got their Feast glams would throw a RIOT if it was even vaguely accessible in any format.

I checked just to be sure but there are more billionaires on the planet than there are people with the Dreadnought...

You are comparing apples with dinosaurs, idk.
PvE and PvP are different. There are people who had like 3000 matches in a single season and didn't make top100, but they have an ultimate weapon - like what is happening here?

Not sure where you pull your numbers from, I guess achievement collectors websites?! There is also a distortion in how you interpret the data, as later seasons had more datacenters, so more people got the rewards. So numbers might not be that far off and more like an average.

Like by design, the top100 players are the minority, there are only 100 of them, probably a lot less due to alts per datacenter. To say then as a good reason "the majority would be happy", sounds bad in that context.

I give you gladly my hellhound and dreadnought for a billion :P

I do have a solo deep dungeon title, and I think it's fair to listen to what people have to say about the balance/rewards/gameplay. I'd be interested in hearing what keeps them away or what might make them more interested in attempting it. So now what?

Hm, you probably have to see it like "people with necromancer title cheated their way to it, they got their account piloted by others, the achievement says clear 200 floors right?! but why can't we just grind floor 1 x 200 times in row for it - it is just a huge grind - it is fair, basically the same. Everyone would be happy! Just make it easier to obtain, I don't like to lose, just give me the title and I never play deep dungeons again."

[Boa-Noah]

You are comparing apples with dinosaurs, idk.

I'm comparing rewards in a video game to rewards in a video game, I'm not comparing the gameplay on how they're earned except for the fact that grinding ranked PVP isn't an option anymore.

Yeah, I'm directly pulling from FFXIV Collect specifically because there's basically nothing that tracks the total cumulative I can find. It doesn't matter if newer seasons had more players, the problem is still that you cannot earn or even try to earn those past rewards, so why would it distort anything? Season 3 Feast has 59 active accounts that have the Lone Hellhound, does that comprehend in your brain as a problem in the slightest? According to a random tracker website there's about 17,000,000 active players in the last 30 days, a whopping 0.0003% of the player population active right now completed Feast season 3.

That sounds like a totally fair number to you? Laughable.

"people with necromancer title cheated their way to it, they got their account piloted by others, the achievement says clear 200 floors right?! but why can't we just grind floor 1 x 200 times in row for it - it is just a huge grind - it is fair, basically the same. Everyone would be happy! Just make it easier to obtain, I don't like to lose, just give me the title and I never play deep dungeons again."

You have to be joking, ranked PVP is NOT the same as clearing 200 floors solo, for one PotD is WAY more popular than ranked PVP ever could be, secondly PotD is active live content anyone can work on right now, and lastly you can't win-trade and lobby match to get your Necromancer title unlike a whole lot of folks who rigged Feast (that even other Feast players complained about.)

[Doozer]

Hm, you probably have to see it like "people with necromancer title cheated their way to it, they got their account piloted by others, the achievement says clear 200 floors right?! but why can't we just grind floor 1 x 200 times in row for it - it is just a huge grind - it is fair, basically the same. Everyone would be happy! Just make it easier to obtain, I don't like to lose, just give me the title and I never play deep dungeons again."

If you think everyone sees an achievement that way, that's your own insecurities. People wanting gear that's no longer obtainable is different than wanting a title that they can simply go get and are only hindered by themselves and no one else. Talk about "comparing apples to dinosaurs", genius.

PvE and PvP are different.

Listen to yourself.

[Commander_Justitia]

Yeah, I'm directly pulling from FFXIV Collect specifically because there's basically nothing that tracks the total cumulative I can find.

According to a random tracker website there's about 17,000,000 active players in the last 30 days

They only track "active public" accounts as far as I know of. That means they only include people who set their achievements to "public". But even if it is not the case and they track all (because mount data is public already), you know that was 8 years ago? People move on and get a life? It is still a fairly high number... And you missunderstood the part about dc's I think, at the beginnig there were fewer datacenters, so less rewards, later there were more, so obviously there will be more people active with those mounts.

And what active means idk, I guess they snapshot some achievement dates or minions/mounts from mainstory like lucky banchoo did it. And according to their survey there are a million characters who had minion/mount changes within the last 4 months, across all datacenters, that number is closer to the truth. Your 18m number might refer to chars created, and bots alone make probably hundreds a day. So 200 people of 1million, well that's 0,02%.

If you think everyone sees an achievement that way, that's your own insecurities. People wanting gear that's no longer obtainable is different than wanting a title that they can simply go get and are only hindered by themselves and no one else. Talk about "comparing apples to dinosaurs", genius.


Listen to yourself.

Not everyone, but many. You were the guy who wanted to hear opinions from people who don't do the content, of which you did a lot of. I projected the PvP discussion onto PotD and now you are telling me that I have to keep it separated after all, because it is different?

My opinion is, that PvP is like sport, you don't go to Michael Phelps and tell him "yo bro your gold medal from the olympics is so old now, they should just give us a copy of yours, because I can swim too, even if I am much slower". Why would anyone ever play ranked PvP and compete seriously, if everything is free for everyone...

And yes the other thing was a translation error from a live letter in the ff14 discord, but people like to hear what they want to hear and are total douchebags about it towards PvP players. Did they ban "ResidentSleeper" emotespam yet during every PvP live stream or PvP Patch Live letter ? This community dislikes PvP. xD

[Boa-Noah]

It is still a fairly high number...

It is literally not a high number, but to be generous, let's say there's 800 accounts right now with the Dreadnought mount, let's be generous and say none of those people win-traded or benefitted from anything 'unfun' to get their mount and every single one is an individual account with no duplicate entries or spots. Now to be unfair let's compare that to purely live active accounts (as of 4 months from what I can tell) and the total amount of all accounts registered (including unsubbed, bots, alts, whatever else) for a full picture as Dreadnought was in Feast 20 and near as I can tell that was the last Feast and thus the one with the most winners possible.

First up, that's 0.004% of 17,356,853 total active accounts (public) and would only get smaller and smaller if you were somehow to track non-public active accounts as well.

Next that's 0.002%, so of 30,000,000 accounts (as listed in the 'last 10 years' statistics released) only that miniscule fraction could even feasibly have a Dreadnought.

According to those same statistics the majority of players started during Shadowbringers which means a majority of players in the game never even had a chance to compete for the Hellhound set let alone any of the other earlier Feast seasons, that's pretty bull if you ask me. Now to throw more numbers I've seen multiple websites claim that there's about 51.1 million total accounts which would drop the total playerbase percentage at 0.001%, talk about a big OOF right there, now looking at Feast rewards multiple seasons had armors and many more had mounts, each one is theoretically locked to only 0.002% of players. Further let's look at monetary support as a fun little side thing, let's say maybe half of the total accounts are subscribed, in a single month half the total accounts (15,000,000 players) bring in 224,850,000.00$ USD (assuming a standard subscription fee for a single month), of that a meager 11,992.00$ USD comes from all 800 Feast players. Legacy account numbers aren't really available so I'll just use the Legacy Chocobo numbers from active accounts, so that's 3,305 right now (from public accounts or whatever FFXIV Collect tracks), those players paying a Legacy subscription fee of 9.99$ USD bring in 33,016.95$ USD per month... so not only are Feast rewards undeservedly limited but they're entirely trophies for a fraction of the possible monetary support they generate, does that make sense?

Feast top 100 players make up less than a fraction of the total playerbase, generate less than a fraction of the total revenue, and get MORE special rewards than actual Legacy players from 1.0 got.

Again, does that make ANY sense to you?

[Commander_Justitia]

First up, that's 0.004% of 17,356,853 total active accounts (public) and would only get smaller and smaller if you were somehow to track non-public active accounts as well.

Next that's 0.002%, so of 30,000,000 accounts (as listed in the 'last 10 years' statistics released) only that miniscule fraction could even feasibly have a Dreadnought.

Again, does that make ANY sense to you?

Your numbers are insanely high and I don't have time to look up how you count it. This game doesn't have that many active players. Here is the statistics that people usually go to.





It is supposed be an superrare item, and that is why I think the % are okay.

[Doozer]

Not everyone, but many. You were the guy who wanted to hear opinions from people who don't do the content, of which you did a lot of. I projected the PvP discussion onto PotD and now you are telling me that I have to keep it separated after all, because it is different?

You literally just parroted a made-up person to try to make a point about how people feel about deep dungeons when it's not your opinion. You basically just said "you know if you changed PvP to PotD it would really be something huh" as if that meant anything. And now you're just strawmanning. You can't have your cake and eat it too, either the different types of content (and therefore the way the community approaches them) are the same or different. You can't change the argument to suit whatever point you're making.

As well, when I said I'd be willing to hear from people who may not do the content, I meant actual thoughts and feelings about it. Tell me how you actually feel about deep dungeons (there's more than PotD, by the way) and then maybe we can talk about it. I believe "bad faith" is a common phrase on these forums, so I assume I don't have to explain to you why that comes to mind here.

Are we seriously comparing an Olympic athelte to playing a videogame??

That's what this guy thinks he is for playing a dead game mode, apparently.

[Moqi]

That's what this guy thinks he is for playing a dead game mode, apparently.

What's hilarious is that most people just want the gear for glamour, they don't care about "prestige" at all. If they sold replica PvP gear for 500gil nobody would be posting here, just like anybody who wants a gold medal for the sake of it can go buy a fake one and be happy.

(and the reason they don't do that is because nobody would play PvP otherwise)