Give Warrior the Dark Knight treatment in regards to Bloodwhetting

[GoatOfWar]

In a dungeon setting bloodwhetting is broken....but I also want to argue this. If you DIE in a dungeon with a healer....you have bigger problems then having a broken skill.

Bloodwhetting in a extreme/savage setting is VERY underpowered with only a single boss to attack. It's pretty close to PLD blade combo it terms of heal potency.

I have to look at it where the skills matter...and how the skills are designed. Jobs are designed around extreme/savage/ultimate. Not dungeons.

So if your in a dungeon and a WAR pops bloodwhetting....it's broken as all hell. Honestly they could just do a AOE diminishing returns to it and it would still be broken. WAR is just so damn smooth at AOE tanking as it just ruins large packs.

I have tanked with WAR for nearly the whole expansion...and switched to PLD from P10S onwards. I can say this. PLD was TERRIBLE to play before the rework. WAR was hands down so much better to play then PLD prior to the rework. PLD is smooth as hell to play and everything just lines up perfectly. WAR is in the same boat with skills lining up...it's just slower is all. And that is is the point in my opinion. They still feel different to play, and have different playstyles. For those that think the tanks homogenized and feel the same. I would ask you to play P10S or P12S as a WAR....then change to PLD. It's crazy disjointed and you have to play so much more differently. The basics are the same, but you still have to plan ahead and use the jobs strengths.

That's part of the fun though. I love being able to change to w/e tank I want to, and figuring out what each can get away with. Surprise, surprise...each tank can respectively get away with more or less then the other.

Streamers gonna complain because that's how they get clicks and views. But when you boil it right down to what it really is....Tanks are so damn balanced and I don't know what they could do to improve anymore.

It doesn't matter whether there were some misconceptions or not.
The ability is still grossly overpowered for how readily available it is.

[Supersnow845]

It’s 17% mitigation and a 800 healer potency heal on 25 second CD in single target (1600 potency and 17% mitigation on a target using glint)

The strongest healer CD on a 30 second CD is soil which is 600 potency regen + 10% mitigation, strongest single target heal on a 30 second or less CD is solace at 700 potency

Bloodwhetting on single target is stronger than the strongest single target heal with a similar CD and provides mitigation

How can you remotely claim having stronger CD’s than the healers themselves is remotely underpowered

[rawker]

I chuckled at the attempt to divert the attention to PLD when it has already been accepted that PLD is there on top with regards to self-healing and may need some toning down but gosh dang, saying that WAR is fine has got to be the worst joke I have read.

[Supersnow845]

Tanks have been buffed so far beyond the scope of what the game reasonably supports that deflecting from one overpowered class to another slightly less but still overpowered class is seen as a “defence” of sorts

WAR is overpowered, PLD is overpowered, GNB is overpowered, DRK is….fine I guess

Is it really that hard to see that a tank getting a healers most iconic skill on half the CD plus 20% mitigation at zero cost (hell the equivalent healer skill costs either a resource or your most powerful CD) and that tank being the second weakest on the sustain front is a problem

Tank balance only caring about other tanks is a blight on this game as it’s the only role that’s balanced with only a care for itself and it causes these problems where people become blinded to how overpowered all 4 are because in certain scenarios one is weaker than another so it must be buffed; let’s ignore the fact that every buff encroaches on the other roles

[Kabooa]

It’s 17% mitigation and a 800 healer potency heal on 25 second CD in single target (1600 potency and 17% mitigation on a target using glint)

The strongest healer CD on a 30 second CD is soil which is 600 potency regen + 10% mitigation, strongest single target heal on a 30 second or less CD is solace at 700 potency

Bloodwhetting on single target is stronger than the strongest single target heal with a similar CD and provides mitigation

How can you remotely claim having stronger CD’s than the healers themselves is remotely underpowered

Logged in to test, it's 1600-2000 healing potency total on single target.

You can fit 4 weaponskills in per window plus the 400 shield.

For the sake of ease of translation, 400 potency from a tank is approximately 8% of their maximum HP, and while Infuriate / Primal rend are guaranteed criticals, the individual procs themselves are independently capable of critting as well.

And for the sake of fairness, you will likely only fit 3 weaponskills in most cases when accounting for latency and skillspeed differences, or simply using before a tankbuster and being potentially at max HP, though given Holmgang's low cooldown, most of the actual dangerous tankbusters are handled by Holmgang.



Anyone who says BW isn't strong is frankly wrong, intentionally or not. It is the strongest short cooldown and it isn't even close, with only a few cases where one of the others might, might be able to claim that in that one specific area, they are better.

[GoatOfWar]

It’s 17% mitigation and a 800 healer potency heal on 25 second CD in single target (1600 potency and 17% mitigation on a target using glint)

The strongest healer CD on a 30 second CD is soil which is 600 potency regen + 10% mitigation, strongest single target heal on a 30 second or less CD is solace at 700 potency

Bloodwhetting on single target is stronger than the strongest single target heal with a similar CD and provides mitigation

How can you remotely claim having stronger CD’s than the healers themselves is remotely underpowered

How? The same way we ended up here.
By complaining about the other tanks.
Warrior needs to have the best version of every tank ability in the game with the fewest buttons or else it's unplayable.
You're not gonna play Drk or Pld over Warrior for any reason other than not wanting to play Warrior.
Gnb can do 100 more dps for more effort, but that's really it. And it doesn't matter.
There's a reason most players now default into Warrior.

[Sqwall]

You're not gonna play Drk or Pld over Warrior for any reason other than not wanting to play Warrior.

Watch me. Meta be damned.

[Sqwall]

most of the actual dangerous tankbusters are handled by Holmgang.

LOL. *still only uses Holmgang only once in a pull as nothing else is going to bring me within dying*

[Sqwall]

Logged in to test, it's 1600-2000 healing potency total on single target.

You can fit 4 weaponskills in per window plus the 400 shield.

For the sake of ease of translation, 400 potency from a tank is approximately 8% of their maximum HP, and while Infuriate / Primal rend are guaranteed criticals, the individual procs themselves are independently capable of critting as well.

And for the sake of fairness, you will likely only fit 3 weaponskills in most cases when accounting for latency and skillspeed differences, or simply using before a tankbuster and being potentially at max HP, though given Holmgang's low cooldown, most of the actual dangerous tankbusters are handled by Holmgang.



Anyone who says BW isn't strong is frankly wrong, intentionally or not. It is the strongest short cooldown and it isn't even close, with only a few cases where one of the others might, might be able to claim that in that one specific area, they are better.

Have you tried using Bloodwhetting during P9s during limit cut?
Perhaps p12s Limit Cut?

Oh it didn't heal....huh...can't target the boss you say?

*uses Holy Sheltron*....that's a shame.

"WHAT I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" *Loud blade combo noises*

[Kabooa]

Have you tried using Bloodwhetting during P9s during limit cut?
Perhaps p12s Limit Cut?

Oh it didn't heal....huh...can't target the boss you say?

*uses Holy Sheltron*....that's a shame.

"WHAT I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" *Loud blade combo noises*

You really do not see the absurdity in pointing out you can't heal with Bloodwhetting during untargetable phases while also praising the Blade Combo?