Graphical Update Thread: Midlander Hyur

[Wolfry]

Other than my gripes with the eyes being a bit different, my hyur looks really good!





Didn't really like the sharp edges on the lips and wanted to see him look quite worn in-game anyways.

(Though now come to think of it, I might have to play with the skin tone a little to match the original more, though it'd be a bit tricky for me. Hmmm...)

[posona]

I like the graphics update overall, but I have the same complaint as you. I use the same eyebrows on my Face 1 Midlander male. The eyebrows are a lot thinner and more sparse now. I wonder if it's the result of the new shader making hair look lighter.

Before and after:

I’m glad (and obviously sympathetic!) someone understands where I’m coming from. I feel kind of bad complaining about it because it’s such a minor complaint but those eyebrows have a lot of personality to me and I hate seeing that taken away.

[Doopliss]

I’m glad (and obviously sympathetic!) someone understands where I’m coming from. I feel kind of bad complaining about it because it’s such a minor complaint but those eyebrows have a lot of personality to me and I hate seeing that taken away.

Waauuugh... It's not the same for me because I don't have a Face 1 male Midlander, but my best friend's played one for 10 years. I do think the impression of the face is still very cute/handsome, but those slightly thick, sculpted eyebrows had such a boyish and slightly stuffy charm!! I was so sad to see her character without them!! She was more okay with it than me, though, haha. Still, I hope they correct it...and give this face some of its eyelashes back, too. I noticed they were significantly shortened, and no longer have a tint that matches the hair color... I'm being nitpicky, but I just like these tiny details.

[posona]

Waauuugh... It's not the same for me because I don't have a Face 1 male Midlander, but my best friend's played one for 10 years. I do think the impression of the face is still very cute/handsome, but those slightly thick, sculpted eyebrows had such a boyish and slightly stuffy charm!! I was so sad to see her character without them!! She was more okay with it than me, though, haha. Still, I hope they correct it...and give this face some of its eyelashes back, too. I noticed they were significantly shortened, and no longer have a tint that matches the hair color... I'm being nitpicky, but I just like these tiny details.

Yes! My boy’s lore is he’s from a wealthy political family in Garlemald and he’s extremely particular about his appearance, hence the sculpted eyebrows. (Does he shape them like that? Probably. I mean look at them!) He’s definitely still cute, but the more natural look doesn’t suit his personality at all. (He also uses the Styled for Hire hair currently, and you know that hairstyle takes like 30 minutes to do every morning, come on.) So yeah, I’m sure I’ll get used to it if it’s not changed back, but it definitely looks to me like they purposely shaded the eyebrows to make them thinner. At the very least I’d rather they stay thick and dark.

I will mourn your friend’s eyebrows with you, but I’m glad they’re not as bothered as we are. lol

[SaskiaLox]

I really don't like the 'texturing' they applied to every hyur female face's cheeks. It looks like freckles, or a rash. I hope it's just the lighting causing the nose to look a bit Michael Jackson.

[Yencat]

I really don't like the 'texturing' they applied to every hyur female face's cheeks. It looks like freckles, or a rash. I hope it's just the lighting causing the nose to look a bit Michael Jackson.

That was the first thing I noticed as well

I thought they were freckles at first, but who only has freckles in a tiny cluster on their cheeks and chin and nowhere else? And why randomly add them at all?

Hopefully it's something they're willing to take another look at.

[SeaSalt-IceCream]

So, I saw the post from Yoshi-P and I'm glad they're addressing the texture issues and lighting concerns. I hadn't posted on here yet because I wasn't entirely sure how to give constructive feedback on midlander face 6 and honestly posting on the forums scares me but also I can't very well say I'm unhappy with the end result if I don't try to give some form of constructive feedback so bare with me!

https://imgur.com/a/aljvgjK

Here is the fix, left is what my wol looks like currently, the middle is what I loaded into the benchmark, and the right is what I did editing with in the benchmark.
As many people suggested the creator's lighting was old and didn't work with the next character textures. So I did some tweaks in the creator, fixed his skintone (I added more pink tones to his skin, i gave him large iris size instead of small). I gave him makeup - added some pink blush and lipstick in order to try and get some blood flowing in his cheeks.

However nothing I could do could fix his eyes, eyebrows and smile because the lip and eye shape is different and the eyebrow texture seems too thin and doesn't go far enough across his brow and the smile animation in every instance the mouth looks off - wider I guess?

This made something that I considered a charm-point into unsettling and creepy? Of course I'm really struggling to explain how exactly its not right if its an animation or shape issue I honestly don't know about face modelling to tell - which is why I refrained from saying anything here, but I'm hoping some screenshot examples maybe someone with more know-how than me might be able to discern why the problem is.

Current:
https://imgur.com/f4fInlZ
Benchmark
https://imgur.com/gu81qfI
Current:
https://imgur.com/7a3Pjvb
Benchmark
https://imgur.com/BYbT4aH

(Sorry I hope the screenshots explain better than I am, I realise this isn't the most constructive feedback)

[Doopliss]

...So, I saw the post from Yoshi-P and I'm glad they're addressing the texture issues and lighting concerns. I hadn't posted on here yet because I wasn't entirely sure how to give constructive feedback on midlander face 6 and honestly posting on the forums scares me but also I can't very well say I'm unhappy with the end result if I don't try to give some form of constructive feedback so bare with me!...

Although they use a different face, user Tamlen gave a great breakdown for some feature changes in another thread, that appear to apply to many of the male Midlander faces and which might be a part of what's affecting his impression (Benchmark version on the right):

Here SE made the nostrils bigger, the philtrum smaller, the lips no longer have the tubercles, the oral commissure is less pronounced/barely visible, the bridge of the nose has changed entirely, the nostrils are wider and rounder, epicanthal folds were shortened and receded.
Here's another picture of the same face, both using nose 6- before and after 7.0's changes.

Some races have a nose that was taller before and gets noticeably shorter after, or the opposite issue of this image.

The epicanthal fold change is particularly very noticeable on most male Midlander faces to me. That, along with the change of either where their eyelid rests, or the position of their pupil, gives them a more "vacant" feeling expression all around. The new rigging has also been reported to be buggy in many places.

They point out even further details on their own post, such as the eyelash changes and details for other races, but I did not want to force too much of this user's personal voice on a thread they are not involved in of their own accord. Though I think their detailing is very beneficial.

If this appears to be out of etiquette for the forums, I apologize and will delete this post. In spite of how often I've been posting lately, I'm still quite unused to these things, haha.

[SeaSalt-IceCream]

Although they use a different face, user Tamlen gave a great breakdown for some feature changes in another thread, that appear to apply to many of the male Midlander faces and which might be a part of what's affecting his impression (Benchmark version on the right):

If this appears to be out of etiquette for the forums, I apologize and will delete this post. In spite of how often I've been posting lately, I'm still quite unused to these things, haha.

Thanks! Honestly yeah this is probably it, when I first looked at my wol in the benchmark all I could think of is that he looked "Undead and soulless" Which - is not constructive at all, so I refrained from posting.

I hadn't seen many people comment on midlander 6's face so I did want to like show examples of changes in case it was missed but overall I have the same complaints I think.

[Silverquick]

Honestly I didn't notice much difference. at least not in my character.

Nothing that really sticks out. It's pretty similar, perhaps a bit more smoothed out. But not in any noticable way.