Level 50 alliance raids

[AmiableApkallu]

I'm curious how to roulettes work re: prioritization of duties? it is on a first-come, first-served basis? (eg, someone queues up for CT, five minutes later another person queues up for Puppet's Bunker, and the first one gets filled up first)

I'm also curious to know how it all works behind the scenes. Naïvely, I'd expect the goal to be, "minimize across all players the time spent waiting for Duty Finder to pop." It's an interesting problem solve because to do it optimally requires knowledge of the future.

For example, suppose someone queues directly for Puppet's Bunker. One minute later, I queue for Alliance Roulette, and the algorithm tosses me in with them.

• If we know that 22 other people with the correct roles and capable of running Puppet's Bunker will be queuing in the next 5 minutes, the game can let us hang out for a few minutes while the group fills.
• If we know that we won't have 22 other suitable people in the queue at the same time until 3 hours later, and that there will be someone after 3 hours who can take my spot, the game can just toss me into whatever right now and save me a 3 hour wait.

But we don't know any of that. We can only guess based on what we've seen happen previously.

I suspect, based on my own experience, that the game has its limits to when it comes to holding players hostage to someone who queues directly for something where there are relatively fewer players that can run it.

[Supersnow845]

So you know that they do listen to feedback in that case. Players told them that the only reason that CT would come up so often in Alliance Roulette was because there were players ilvl cheesing to force CT to come up and that adding in an ilvl requirement would fix the problem.

The developers added in the ilvl requirement as the players requested. It did not end up fixing the problem just as many of us had predicted.

The main point of roulettes is to make certain that players doing content for the first time are able to get groups. While personally I think that CT should be placed in a roulette of its own, the developers don't seem to be interested in doing that.

If you hate CT that much, the simple choice is do not queue for Alliance Roulette. We've got plenty of options for earning XP and tomestones so Alliance Roulette isn't needed.

If you still want to be doing other Alliance Raids, direct queue for them instead. The developers did increase the base rewards for them at the same time they made the ilvl change. Want something on the random side? Create your own mini-roulette when you queue by selecting up to 5 of your favorites so the game will place you into one randomly.

You have the ability to fix your complaint. I would suggest doing it.


Don't queue for a single Alliance Raid. Queue for multiple. The game will place you into the first available one, just as it does with the Roulette, but you won't have to worry about it being CT.

What about people trying to do the high level raids for the first time

If my quest tells me “enter the puppets bunker” queuing for it, copied and the 3 ivalice raids just to try to get the queue to pop faster literally does not help me at all

The roulette is outright failing to help people to clear the higher level raids in favour of CT and it shouldn’t be like that just because CT is mandatory when they didn’t even need to make it mandatory

[Asari5]

i mean there are people who dont even know about a-raids other than crystal tower.
i'm still for making at least the first raid of each set mandatory for the roulette. that would also show them: look there are more.

[Keichi]

That CT is showing up that much is for multiple reasons.
First, is it the raid that the most players are unlocking. That increase the chance to enter it very much.

Than, are a lot of player with lvl 50+, because they do story or are lvling the other classes. That increase the chance for CT again (a lvl 60 player has a 50% chance, to enter it, a lvl 70 layer a 1/3 chance).
In addition are some player targeting CT, because its the fastes raid.
A run take only around 10-15 min. Maybe 20.
While the later onces can take up to 30 or even 40 min. And that, for practicly the same reward (the Devs know this issue and tried to make up with it, by adding higher reward for longer raids).

And than can it be simply be a run, that it shows up multiple times.
In my case, as a example, had i last month every second day Nier 1 or Nier3 raid. At last did it showed up so much, that it feeled like that.
From my experience, is CT the most common raid. Than Nier, HW, EW and the raids of stormblood are the rarest that Shows up. Esspecial the raid with the math Boss is very rare.

It wouldnt make sense, to remove ct from roulette. Because, that would hurt the lower lvl player and new ones. Because, they would find people much more rarely.

And, for your 7h problem:
How is your Set up of party founder?
Has you only 1 languange activ?
You can increase the speed of finding a party, by adding the other ones to your list to. Even, if you dont actually speak the languange.

I had the problem with long waiting times, where i dont found a party to, for a long time (like, the first few Eden raids, when i came back in shb, because, practicly no one did the first few raids anymore at that time).
The waiting time reduced a lot, when i added the other languange to the criteria. Because, it gives a bigger pool (and its simply common to speak english, no matter what is in the group).
A other point is: at what time did you tried it? Again, from my experience, is it the easiest, to find groups, at the late times (like 8 p.m.), when most people has finished there works (the best time can change, based on, what time zone you are). It feels common to have a long waiting time, if you try it at the warlier hours or early afternoon.

[LilimoLimomo]

The Roulettes' primary purpose isn't to give you a random experience, it's to create a pool of players to help other players get through content they explicitly queued for. So only queue for the Roulette if you're down to do any of the content in that Roulette. On days when you're not down for that, simply do something else instead.

[Ancalagon_Blacktalon]

The roulette is outright failing to help people to clear the higher level raids in favour of CT and it shouldn’t be like that just because CT is mandatory when they didn’t even need to make it mandatory

raha literally continues to exist as a scion because you free him from the tower, which you sealed him in at the end of CT. you'd have to change one of the biggest post-ShB plot points to make CT optional again.

[Desna]

They're GOOD raids. the issues are just that they're old and need some love. Syrcus needs the impact of it's mechanics to actually HURT. If people stack those stack markers on the last boss there should be a wipe not little boo boos. Lab needs an update so that team C isn't useless. Seriously...if you go in there on Team C...you are completely shafted in there, second boss you won't even participate....
World of Darkness....same deal, make the mechanics punish people for ignoring them. Toss some nice glam items into the loot table and they would really be worth it and more fun.

Really, another quality of life thing they could do is expand the Limited leveling roulette button you can click in duty finder settings to include raids...offer better incentives for max level players to que without it to keep the pool of players good. everybody wins.

[Supersnow845]

raha literally continues to exist as a scion because you free him from the tower, which you sealed him in at the end of CT. you'd have to change one of the biggest post-ShB plot points to make CT optional again.

Well 1 there was a window between 5.0 and 5.3 where you didn’t need to do CT to continue ShB, basically all this amounted to was giving you a choice where you got to call out graha’s name if you had done CT, canonically the side content happens at the time it’s released even if you don’t do it at the time. (Other examples include krile giving small updates on eureka throughout post ShB and gaius changing around sorrows of Werlyt even if you didn’t do them)

Even if they dropped that philosophy do you really think they’d reject graha from being a scion after all they went through with him as the crustal exarch, he’s always made clear he’s from the source regardless of the status of him in the crystal tower. He’s in the same position as eden, the void quests show that eden has already happened by 6.5 regardless of whether you did it on not the only thing that changes is the 5 seconds of Gaia being on screen if you did it

The Roulettes' primary purpose isn't to give you a random experience, it's to create a pool of players to help other players get through content they explicitly queued for. So only queue for the Roulette if you're down to do any of the content in that Roulette. On days when you're not down for that, simply do something else instead.

Which as has been explained it’s totally failing to help people pop the high level raids when they specifically queue for them so it’s failing everybody

[Yuella]

No one forces you to do alliance roulette everyday. I have not touched alliance roulette in 2 months.

[vetch]

The whole point of the roulettes is to provide people to fill whatever instances need people, so those who want to run a specific instance can easier do so.
The roulette rewards is essentially a bribe to make people run the same old instances over and over and over just to provide warm bodies for instances.

No, the purpose of a system is what it does.

A roulette's function is to get first-timers a quicker queue once (1 time) and afterward to supply veterans with busywork in exchange for currencies and EXP to get through the game's various artificial gating mechanisms (between 0-∞ times).

Since purpose of the system is to do both, veterans are well within their rights to stop participating when the tedium outweighs the reward.