Are people remembering to disable their shaders before leaving graphic feedback?

[Turtledeluxe]

My game is pure, unaltered, Final Fantasy XIV goodness so the comparisons I've posted are accurate! (Except for that one post where I forgot to dial the gamma correction down to 0 for the benchmark to bring it closer to what my game actually looks like. Has since been corrected.)

Except you posted the same photo with two different settings and one is a way worse comparison than the other, clearly demonstrating you do not need third party game tools to present misleading photos.

You don't even necessarily need to use the game itself to produce misleading photos.

[noumen0nn]

Except you posted the same photo with two different settings and one is a way worse comparison than the other, clearly demonstrating you do not need third party game tools to present misleading photos.

You don't even necessarily need to use the game itself to produce misleading photos.

Are you okay? You've been all over this morning in multiple threads, making an effort to shut down as many people raising legitimate complaints as possible. It's bordering on gaslighting and the language you're using is deliberately inflammatory. What is your attachment to this?

[Turtledeluxe]

Are you okay? You've been all over this morning in multiple threads, making an effort to shut down as many people raising legitimate complaints as possible. It's bordering on gaslighting and the language you're using is deliberately inflammatory. What is your attachment to this?

No I haven't. There are some criticisms I agree with. So another example of dishonesty going on right here.

You probably could've found a way to say that without being an ass about it. Or perhaps just not at all.

And like someone else said, I haven't seen any screenshots using very obvious shaders. Try to be less of a bootlicker, please.

It sound like I hit a nerve, if anything. I'm so glad you haven't noticed any unusual photos, I guess that puts it all to rest. Thanks!

[Doozer]

It sound like I hit a nerve, if anything. I'm so glad you haven't noticed any unusual photos, I guess that puts it all to rest. Thanks!

Literally what does that even mean. What goal do you seek to achieve by being rude and insisting people are lying? What would please you? There's enough people saying they're unhappy with the changes who didn't use shaders, so in the off chance that someone did use shaders and was unhappy, that doesn't invalidate everyone else's stance. So what's the point? Be clear and mature about your answer: what gives?

[Turtledeluxe]

Literally what does that even mean. What goal do you seek to achieve by being rude and insisting people are lying? What would please you? There's enough people saying they're unhappy with the changes who didn't use shaders, so in the off chance that someone did use shaders and was unhappy, that doesn't invalidate everyone else's stance. So what's the point? Be clear and mature about your answer: what gives?

Where in my first post did I say everyone is using shaders / lying? I said this is why I do not trust everything I am reading-- because there is a chance that the photos being produced are inaccurate or misleading. That does not mean someone is using a shader, but they could be. What is your insistence on feeling targeted by this statement?

How would I think everyone has used a shader/lying when I agree with multiple issues in the graphics update...? You can keep lying about me, I don't care and I will respond as I see fit.

[Doozer]

Where in my first post did I say everyone is using shaders / lying? I said this is why I do not trust everything I am reading-- because there is a chance that the photos being produced are inaccurate or misleading. That does not mean someone is using a shader, but they could be. What is your insistence on feeling targeted by this statement?

How would I think everyone has used a shader/lying when I agree with multiple issues in the graphics update...? You can keep lying about me, I don't care and I will respond as I see fit.

Grow up or all you'll find yourself in is arguments. You're so full of it that it's coming out of your ears. So carefully nitpicking and choosing words so the person you're talking to is always somehow in the wrong. "Where in my first post" you're not fooling anyone with that one. "What is your insistence on feeling targeted by this statement?" isn't slick either. Act like an adult or you'll get treated like a child.

[Thais]

Except you posted the same photo with two different settings and one is a way worse comparison than the other, clearly demonstrating you do not need third party game tools to present misleading photos.

You don't even necessarily need to use the game itself to produce misleading photos.

That's a fair point as I did make a mistake. Granted, the color wasn't the primary concern of my post.

The post was meant to show the differences in the eyebrows and the gamma settings were irrelevant to that. It was more to demonstrate how the *shape* of something changed. I did state in my first post that the color difference was likely because of the benchmark settings. But yes, the chief reason was to show the difference in eyebrow shape.

[Turtledeluxe]

That's a fair point as I did make a mistake. Granted, the color wasn't the primary concern of my post.

The post was meant to show the differences in the eyebrows and the gamma settings were irrelevant to that. It was more to demonstrate how the *shape* of something changed. I did state in my first post that the color difference was likely because of the benchmark settings. But yes, the chief reason was to show the difference in eyebrow shape.

The likes on the post demonstrate that the average player did not interpret it that way imho. At the time of writing, your negative post had 7 likes, and the one that was more comparable to your OG character (barring eyebrows and shadows) had 1 or 2. Negativity sells on the forum. Which btw, is also why I push so hard against it. I think sometimes negativity has a valid application-- for example with ongoing trends like job design. It's fair to be frustrated when months / years have passed and the dev team seems to be ignoring your feedback. But in the case of the gfx update, I honestly feel like because a handful of users have legitimate photos displaying problems, other players then parrot that and post their own photos that look completely fine. I also think this is why we are seeing more posts and threads calling for some kind of consolidation of feedback/consistency.

I also agree with your post btw, that maybe eyebrow thickness is a feature they could look at generally, or something.

[Thais]

The likes on the post demonstrate that the average player did not interpret it that way imho. At the time of writing, your negative post had 7 likes, and the one that was more comparable to your OG character (barring eyebrows and shadows) had 1 or 2. Negativity sells on the forum. Which btw, is also why I push so hard against it. I think sometimes negativity has a valid application-- for example with ongoing trends like job design. It's fair to be frustrated when months / years have passed and the dev team seems to be ignoring your feedback. But in the case of the gfx update, I honestly feel like because a handful of users have legitimate photos displaying problems, other players then parrot that and post their own photos that look completely fine. I also think this is why we are seeing more posts and threads calling for some kind of consolidation of feedback/consistency.

I also agree with your post btw, that maybe eyebrow thickness is a feature they could look at generally, or something.

I tend to lurk on the forums occasionally so I have seen some of the more emotionally charged conversations play out from time to time. Because I didn't find the gamma the actual problem, I neglected to make the necessary change to make the comparison as accurate as possible initially. I had essentially handwaved the fact that the colors were different because that is something that can easily be corrected by making adjustments. So I figured, "that's not even a big deal" ...Wrong! I realized too late that I had forgotten how the benchmark defaults the gamma correction to 50 (presumably when you don't bring over you own settings, I think) so that was definitely sloppy on my part. Both my current game and benchmark are at maximum settings. I had loaded up the benchmark and just went "Setting it to Max, just like my game!" but forgot about gamma correction. This was an oversight and I was blind to how that would influence opinions. I should have realized that it would send a different message than the one I intended. You know what they say about good intentions!

Also, I don't disagree that there may be some people posting in bad faith but thankfully most of what I've seen has been fairly constructive feedback overall. Thankfully, the eyebrow thing isn't a deal-breaker for me, of course, but it was one that definitely made me do a double-take. Even though I don't find it a high priority (although I still want the improvement), it still is something that I think could use a second look as well.

I'll be more careful with my posts in the future! (I'm not much of a forum poster if you can tell by my join date)