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  1. #3321
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    All that does is just turn the rest of the forums against us because while anyone else is free to make any topic about anything else as soon as healers get involved we are just told to go back to the healer forum
    If it was from hundreds of different people like the current uproar, then what can they really do?
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  2. #3322
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOperator3712 View Post
    If it was from hundreds of different people like the current uproar, then what can they really do?
    That’s assuming they actually do anything about the current uproar and not just go “give it a try” then completely ignore any future feedback, like the current healers, or SAM or any other bad changes they have made in the last 6 years
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  3. #3323
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    That’s assuming they actually do anything about the current uproar and not just go “give it a try” then completely ignore any future feedback, like the current healers, or SAM or any other bad changes they have made in the last 6 years
    Hence my earlier remark that next few days on the forum would be interesting. Either we finally learn what the threshold is for feedback to make an impact, or a whole of disillusioned people come out the other side of this.
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  4. #3324
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    It's worth noting that if they're reading any feedback at all, that they've tried the "more healing" route in Abyssos, perhaps they'll try the "make healing downtime more interesting" route this time.

    I don't really care whether or not it's more damage spells or whatever, just something more to do would be nice. Buffs to maintain, debuffs to manage, rolling CDs, timer juggling, literally anything other than 140 Broils would be nice.
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  5. #3325
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    Discount Hrothgar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xurtan View Post
    Just +1ing this thread. Battlefield controllers used to be my favorite class in MMOs in the 90s and early 00s, then those were taken away and I moved to healer. Now healers have been pretty much nerfed into braindead oblivion, and I'm unsure what to play instead. Prog is still kinda interesting, but after that? Ehh. Mana isn't really a concern, aggro absolutely isn't a concern, we have no damage rotation, healing stance doesn't exist anymore... what's left for them to take?
    Same as me. If you like to track the game state and manage the battlefield there's no gameplay for you anymore. Turn your brain off and keep these 20 glorified auto-attacks on cooldown until the boss dies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    It's worth noting that if they're reading any feedback at all, that they've tried the "more healing" route in Abyssos, perhaps they'll try the "make healing downtime more interesting" route this time.
    Mitigation checks aren't healing.
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  6. #3326
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    Quote Originally Posted by vetch View Post
    Same as me. If you like to track the game state and manage the battlefield there's no gameplay for you anymore. Turn your brain off and keep these 20 glorified auto-attacks on cooldown until the boss dies.



    Mitigation checks aren't healing.
    Mitigation checks would be healing if the he tanks and DPS didn’t hold more than half the cumulative mitigation between them

    If the shield healer held 70% of the raids mitigation and the regen healer held 80% of the raids potential healing then abyssos would have been damn near flawless in terms of how it challenged healers

    The problem is the DPS have too much mitigation they don’t press then they blame the healers when they don’t press it
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  7. #3327
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    Quote Originally Posted by vetch View Post
    Mitigation checks aren't healing.
    Tell that to the dev team. They're the ones that said Abyssos was their attempt at increasing healing requirements. To them, upping healing requirements was already tried and it failed, so maybe they'll try the other option next.
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  8. #3328
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Tell that to the dev team. They're the ones that said Abyssos was their attempt at increasing healing requirements. To them, upping healing requirements was already tried and it failed, so maybe they'll try the other option next.
    To be honest, I'm not sure if the dev team even realizes that healing can be increased with frequency rather than directly higher damage. Like when faced with people asking for more healing, they look at the current rhythm of a fight, see where damage is being dealt, and see increasing those values as the only way to address that, not realizing that adding more instances of healing is even an option.
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    Sage has failed to live up to the fantasy of a sci-fi DPS healer. Please change this for 8.0. Make Sage fast, exciting, and aggressive. It should feel like a healer that plays like a DPS. Empower the aspects of Sage's unique healing mechanics: Kardia and Eukrasia to give its healing playstyle more identity.

  9. #3329
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    Viorel Amala
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maltothoris View Post
    But hardly anyway praises the new fights with a few exceptions for healing. Those fights kept you on your toes and didn't just wipe the party when you fail a single mechanic.
    nisi wants to know your location
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  10. #3330
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    Malto Thoris
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4clubbedace View Post
    nisi wants to know your location
    I have done Nisi. I have raid since mid 2.3. This has been the expansion with the biggest healing uproar so far. And if they continue with the current trend, the healing comp is going to be sch/sge going forward with the regen healers falling behind.
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