1.0 vs ARR vs DT For Context

[Windfire]

Congratulations to the two of you for having Prosopagnosia I guess (though I wouldn't wish it on anyone). "The main symptom of prosopagnosia is having difficulty recognizing faces. You'll still see the parts of a face normally, but all faces may look the same to you." Taken from https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/face-blindness/

[Luluna]

I am glad you have posted this as it takes me back to 1.0 and how lovely the characters looked. I am quite happy with the update as It is a little more like it was. The cartoon look is what we got for ARR and it really did make a lot of 1.0 players think wtf happened?

My character who I loved was gone and that was a massive blow and to be honest it kind of annoyed me but we just had to take the free fantasia and accept it. I managed to make a few characters that I love and I do fantasia a little more and I feel it is because I miss my 1.0 cat but I always felt she just did not port the way I remembered her.

I think there needs to be a few tweaks but to be honest they look nicer and my Husband said to me when I had my laptop open "What is the difference?" lol

I do understand there are slight changes the lip gloss is what I am wanting fixed and the Moon keeper teefs they need fixing that is quite bad.

I will make a proper comparison when I get onto my PS5 wish they had done a CC as more players do play on consoles now. I do hope they don't change it back as it is a improvement. I was able to make Hyur and a lovely Moon cat and Au ra. The lighting is doing a lot of things also as when in Gridania guild she looked more or less herself but with her hair sleeker and skin.

[SinopheaFallensight]

If you compare lalafell's eyes between 1.0&EW&DT will know that in fact ARR-EW are more closer 1.0 than DT. The new eyes are too dark...not a good idea indeed

[Loggos]

I'm asking genuinely and not to be aggressive or provocative but is it possible to get a bigger picture?

Because even though this is 4k, at max size I can still only moderately zoom into the picture and a lot of face details are lost.
The thing is, the devil is in the details because we are talking about shape changes in lips and eyes. Those are harder to pick up from a distance but in close-ups they have a visible impact.

That said even with the picture in the OP I believe I already see some feature differences between 1.0/ARR (those seem consistent with each other from what I can see) and DT which go beyond lighting. Namely the shape of the eyes and the fullness of the lower lips (but this one is hard to discern with certainty without a larger picture). I've also loaded the image into Photoshop and traced the eye shapes which confirms my initial impressions.

I don't have time to post links right now bc work. I'll try to get around to it later. My apologies for that.

I believe this is the same base face they used for Y'shtola btw and if you look at her in 1.0 cutscenes I feel like you can see that her lower lips are not actually as wide (horizontally speaking) as the DT model. I have looked at most of the miqo feedback and the Y'shtola face is not brought up very often. Other miqo faces have clearly been changed which has been shown repeatedly. Perhaps the Y'shtola face dodged a bullet.

Some people have said after all their own characters don't seem very different. I believe that.

That doesn't undo all the other examples players have shown that very clearly demonstrate differences in face shapes that are not lighting, both on the English and the Japanese forums.

Also, even if DT and 1.0 are closer to one another (which I'm not convinced of atm) this doesn't do anything for players of newer races like au ra or viera.
Players have very clearly shown how their viera and au ra models do not look the same, with facial features being completely changed. My chars don't even look like their old selves from a distance. I can spot it right away because they have given them a complete lip job among other things. :/

[KhujaRela]

I'm sorry to be a bit offtopic, but there is something that's been bugging me since I saw the first videos of 1.0 I feel they tend to be more realistic, and also the Elezen were better proportioned?? I saw Mother Myoune to look much better in 1.0, and with narrower shoulders (in my personal opinion)

I wonder why this changed so much with A realm reborn? I don't say I like ALL better in 1.0, I certainly not (since I prefer less realism in general, I like more colorful and stilized worlds). It's because the engine or change artistic direction? If someone knows...

[Luluna]

I am unsure why they changed it so much but it was a downgrade....the way characters ran moved everything hair physics. I think a lot of people could not run the game at the time due to the specs it required. My Husband who played at the time said to me oh it wont be much different....his face when he logged in was one of complete shock.

[Embran]

I'm sorry to be a bit offtopic, but there is something that's been bugging me since I saw the first videos of 1.0 I feel they tend to be more realistic, and also the Elezen were better proportioned?? I saw Mother Myoune to look much better in 1.0, and with narrower shoulders (in my personal opinion)

I wonder why this changed so much with A realm reborn? I don't say I like ALL better in 1.0, I certainly not (since I prefer less realism in general, I like more colorful and stilized worlds). It's because the engine or change artistic direction? If someone knows...

They changed engines which will have an inherent effect on how the game looks and presents itself, but they also made the visuals worse on purpose so that hardware (at the time) could actually run it. 1.0 was very intensive for 2010 and people really struggled even with the best PCs.

That, and they wanted to streamline the development process. Obsessing over visuals will really slow down how quickly you can make things.

[KhujaRela]

Thank you both! so it was an engine/specs thing, I believe this also has to do with current graphics change, since they said they would use from Dawntrail the same mesh number on all characters and races equally (also to make easier adjust clothing), so maybe this is affecting to some face features and causing the glitches on the benchmark...

With this clarified, I want to think now they didn't had enough time to fine-tune faces, or maybe they wanted to see the public reaction on benchmark first? I'm just guessing tho, until they talk about I don't think we know for real...

[SchwarzwaelderTorte]

I want to think now they didn't had enough time to fine-tune faces

What's really strange is that there was a theory running around in the JP community that Dawntrail would release in late August. At Tokyo Fanfest, when they didn't announce the release date yet due to wanting to make sure they would not delay like EW, Yoshida even brought up a chat comment that said "it's gonna be October" to confirm that "no, it will be summer". Which proves that people were already expecting late summer.

And then at PAX he says "oh we wanted to release one week earlier, actually, but Elden Ring DLC" etc.

I was also mentally prepared for a late August release (even before reading about that theory), so when they announced early access late June I was "HUH?" (and suddenly I'm pressed for time with all the things I had planned to do before the 48h maintenance lol).

There was always bound to be some amount of negative reaction with the benchmark, but I think this is a lot more than what everyone expected. It does feel a little rushed (how did they miss the weird square shadow on the Hyur M shoulder, the dent in the Roegadyn M skull, the rigging issues on the Elezen F mouth, the scale artifacts on dark-skinned Au ra), and now they definitely don't have time to fix all that before release, they're probably in post-production already at this stage with the media tour coming up.

Content drought aside, I think no one would have been shocked if the release date had been in August (some would have complained, sure, as always, but then again... Elden Ring DLC), and with the same release date for the benchmark, it would have given them time to react to player feedback.

Also feedback wise: why do they send a survey to ask us what our favorite mounts and minions are to make funny statistics, and why did they not provide a survey with the benchmark when it was the appropriate time to gather players' opinion? The EN forums are an even bigger mess than usual since Sunday and if it's already hard for players to find the threads they were following in this tsunami of "here's my individual opinion on my own character, I love it/I hate it" threads, I can't imagine how much of a pain it's gonna be for the community team (or whoever looks at these threads) to try to synthesize what players' requests are.

To go back on topic:
Thanks for providing the comparative pictures! (I think you or maybe someone else mentioned it in the London Fanfest feedback thread already but couldn't find them at the time)

However, I also think that M'iqote F is probably the model the least affected by the benchmark changes (fangs aside ofc), so I'd be curious to see comparative pictures of all 1.0 races (if anyone has a private server around...)

[Ath192]

I'm asking genuinely and not to be aggressive or provocative but is it possible to get a bigger picture?

Because even though this is 4k, at max size I can still only moderately zoom into the picture and a lot of face details are lost.

You're not, what you were asking was a really hard request, here it is though. I have also updated the Thread front post with it. I hope this provides you the details you need and helps everyone else make feedback or compare.



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