Moon Miqo'te Face 4 feedback

[GrizzlyTank]

I am on the opposite end- I love how my mooncat looks in the benchmark!
While yes, there need to be improvements made (which was addressed on the website); much of the changes, aside from the obvious altering of certain features (like miqo face #4 lips & fangs), look different due to polygon clean up and pixel clean up.

Skin shine and translucency needs to be toned down in everyday light(that's what is causing the rubbery skin effect), while still keeping the realistic look the dev team wanted to go for-
-shading needs to be darker and there needs to be some contouring on every face to some degree because even though pixels and polygons were cleaned up, alot of features were just erased and not replaced with any improvement

Things I do like:
I can't see the under part of her eyelid
I like the new sculpt of the teeth
I do like the soft pink in her nose
I love that I don't have to use gloss with lipstick
I like the pinkish hue in her nose smudge

Things I don't like:
Mouth gap is gone
Eyebrows have been lightened across the board
Fangs have been dulled
Smudge seems to have been lightened a little
Eyelashes need to be softened abit to not look fake
Eye dot/light is gone so her eyes are abit void of personality


Here is a side-by-side of my Miqo

Head seems vertically squashed, but that might also just be the lack of lighting along the jawline.

[Rueby]

You actually echo the same concerns as me, my girl is a face 4 with type 4 Nose....which literally got a nose job to straighten it up Q___Q
Mouth 1 feels so strange.
They really changed the cupid's bow shape from the original to a near v shape. Alot of chars got so much defined Philtrums which look kinda weird if they didn't have it so obvious before.
I love how the current no lipstick lips are pink and blend so nicely with the skin. My baby lost that delicate look about her and is now abit more dolled up.

I loved her little flaws, the not-straight nose, parted lips, nose smudge, cute cheeks... sigh



Nose Type 4.
= Nose smudge is greatly reduced/faded which is the defining feature of Face 4.
= Nose job- thinning of the nose bridge (?) and straightening up of the nose profile. [I really liked that nose because it wasn't straight and I thought that 'flaw' was really cute and charming, sad to see it go...]




Mouth Type 1.
Honestly, I have so much issues with this I might cry
= Cupid's Bow is totally a different shape between current vs benchmark, with the benchmark throwing subtly out of the window and giving a harsh 'v' shape.
= Cupid's Bow catches light too often and leads to a glossy/doll look.
= Philtrum went from being subtle to being more pronounced.
= Mouth lost its original shape/charm- no longer has that soft/blended innocent look.
= No lipstick option has a sheen/glossy finish and nowehere near light/pink as the original was.
= Corners of the mouth catch way too much light which stick too much and adds to that doll look.
= Please return my girl's fangs back, thanks.
= Parted lips are gone which I found charming...

Before & After

[HeyMcFly]

Head seems vertically squashed, but that might also just be the lack of lighting along the jawline.

it's bc of the lack of lighting it appears that way; I always thought the random highlight was odd

[naturenstuff]

Thank you for all the hard work with the graphics update, but there's some concerns I have with some of the choices made for Female Miqo. Before, the eyes and brows had a natural appearance, whereas in the Dawntrail Benchmark, I feel like my characters have been turned into cutesy dolls. Everything looks very artificial now.




Here's a comparison between Endwalker (above) and the Benchmark (below). The eyeliner has been vastly extended down, covering the skin that was visible before. The eyelashes in the benchmark look fake and very uniform, which is not the look I envisioned for my character at all, and the eyebrows are a lot more flat and dull.

[Cheapshot]

You actually echo the same concerns as me, my girl is a face 4 with type 4 Nose....which literally got a nose job to straighten it up Q___Q
Mouth 1 feels so strange.
They really changed the cupid's bow shape from the original to a near v shape. Alot of chars got so much defined Philtrums which look kinda weird if they didn't have it so obvious before.
I love how the current no lipstick lips are pink and blend so nicely with the skin. My baby lost that delicate look about her and is now abit more dolled up.

I loved her little flaws, the not-straight nose, parted lips, nose smudge, cute cheeks... sigh



Nose Type 4.
= Nose smudge is greatly reduced/faded which is the defining feature of Face 4.
= Nose job- thinning of the nose bridge (?) and straightening up of the nose profile. [I really liked that nose because it wasn't straight and I thought that 'flaw' was really cute and charming, sad to see it go...]

Thank you for putting so much effort into organizing and presenting your concerns. It feels good to not be alone in my feelings. Honestly pretty shaken up about all this. Your notes on the nose are something I didn't cover so thank you for that. I noticed the narrower nose bridge and dorsum, but I didn’t compare the side profile to see that they changed that too. It explains why my button nose is gone. Why did they change so much! i would have been happy with higher rez textures and calling it a day! I’m a 3d modeller and digital artist so I’m familiar with this work. I could absolutely improve the smoothness of the mesh without straying from the original shapes and feel. I just don’t understand. I don’t want to look generic and doll like. I want to look like me.

[HeyMcFly]

The contouring of the original nose around the bridge was smoothed out from it's semi broken look which gave that nose shape it's charm and the devs erased it, giving the nose a more bulb like appearance.
The contouring really defined the nose - it should be a mix of both what we see in the benchmark & the original- smoother polygons, while still retaining the bridge's small crook, just cleaned up & keeping the contouring of the bridge.

The nose smudge needs to be more prominent in light as it is shading come DT.
I did some very mild editing to the face but with my miqo's presets- while I didn't give it the same contour around the bridge, I did tone down the shine, add the lip gap back, the static eye light & darken the outer part of the nostrils as well as the eyebrows. It's not great, but it's something

I'll make one of the nose in your example on how it can retain the same look, while still being improved

Before & after

[Rueby]

The nose does look alot similar to how I'd imagine my old nose to be updated honestly!

I'm kinda worried because of how disorganized the English forums is that they might not even see our feedback or give it much thought...I feel alot of us feel like something is 'off' or 'not right' but don't have the words or means to express or communicate what it is precisely. Thank you so much for taking the time to explain.

[Cheapshot]

I updated my OP to replace images with a more clear and direct set of comparisons. I hope it communicates my concerns better.

[Rueby]

These are amazing observations...I wonder if we should combine our stuff and try to make a post on the Japanese Forums using a translator? I'm not sure if the translation would be well but I honestly feel that maybe our voices might be heard over there than here.

The nose shape changed more than I expected now that you drew a line near it, I knew something 'felt off' but it wasn't just the straightening of the bridge, the tip also changed. I still feel bothered by how the cupid bow is so harsh looking as well.

[RemiRose]

All of these look better, stop trying to look for stuff to complain about