Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
They're valued for what utility exactly? Everybody has utility those days. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying nobody appreciates curing waltz, or a bit more party mitigation, but is this truly such a boon from the role those days?

They can't even raise.

I'd trade half or all of my utility as a rphys player if it meant I was actually bringing something on the damage department to my party. It would be sad, but I'd do it in a heartbeat. It's not like mitigation abilities are exactly thrilling to use those days anyway.
Raid buffs are also really nice.
But yeah, i'm not disagreeing with you per se.
I'm just saying that at least you've got *something* going.
PLD and DRK are just Warrior downgrades now.