Nerf gil profit from submarine

[LuciferNacht]

Submarines should honestly just be decoupled from Housing entirely and attached to GCs or something.

PREACH!

If we're all paying the same sub, there is no reason crossbreeding gardening and workshops are tied to owning a physical plot. It's inequitable game design.

The workhop should be available at the GC or somewhere for every FC.

[Kaurhz]

PREACH!

If we're all paying the same sub, there is no reason crossbreeding gardening and workshops are tied to owning a physical plot. It's inequitable game design.

The workhop should be available at the GC or somewhere for every FC.

I could get behind decoupling it from housing, and/or tying it to GC, it could act as a pretty good extension for the GC system if they ever want to expand on the ranks.

That being said, regardless, a solution such as this would still require pretty much looking into the whole reward structure anyway. Something like extravagant 'works' and hasn't undergone any radical changes because it is tied to housing. Same with many of the other rewards locked behind it -- When you look at bringing it to players in such an accessible manner, then the impact becomes a lot more clearer.

This is why I already take an issue with the system of present. How devs expected it to function and how it has actually played out are very differently, IMO. beyond this, another problem I have really is that it does detract from other gameplay elements -- I suppose the way I view it is -- If making Gil is the goal in general -- Why would I bother going for an approach that requires constant sustained effort, e.g., crafting, doing Eureka, doing Bozja, or any other activity when the viable alternative is essentially just passive income through submarines?

I'm at a point with my FC submarines where they can farm Gil, and the only thing I need to do is login daily, send them out, and forget about it until the next day -- and everything else related to Gil because they are already adequate for anything that the game throws at me that would otherwise require or even encourage spending Gil -- So I posit the question again -- Why would I bother interacting with many other gameplay elements, when this is all that is required?

By all means how people have their fun is ultimately their own prerogative, I'm no different when it comes to achievements -- Brrrr... Number go bigger... Brrrr.... -- But this enjoyment does not take away from any issues that people may have with a system -- Be it issues people may have with achievements -- Or be it issues I or others may have with submarines ultimately boiling down to glorified retainers with fairly broken rewards in the long-term.

[Commander_Justitia]

Why would I bother interacting with many other gameplay elements, when this is all that is required?

Yep, that is the big issue. I sit on gil too, I could buy all the mounts I want, but I don't, because I actually wanna play the game for it... Devs creating a game, where people don't need to play PvE. It will get hard to foster participation and find groups that are willing to do it, because there is simply no need for it. Why bother, when there is the easy exit strat?

I think retainer system, as well as marketboard, could use some upgrades too, it essentially barely changed since launch... Why not have automatic ventures pile up items, so you don't have to click through it. Some items from ventures are almost impossible to get once you pass a certain retainer level too, as % chances change with a bigger pool of potential items. Why no bid/ask prices to make a real market like other MMOs? And so on. But that is another topic.