FFXIV needs to stop accommodating Solo Players

[Katish]

If you want to play a single player game there are many to choose from, this is not one. This is a MMORPG (Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game), it is literally in the name... of what it entails. This is not a single player game and thus should not be treated as so.

[Ardeth]

It's not up to you. If the majority of casual players, who are also the majority of players like it, then your opinion is irrelevant.

[Lyth]

These two playstyles are not mutually exclusive. Modern games do have to include 'quickplay' content that can facilitate players to jump into content easily on their own during shorter play sessions, otherwise players with more regular work and school related commitments just end up dropping the game. The downside is that 'community-building' typically only happens when you have larger numbers of players collaborating together and interacting in the same zone, and that's essential for long term player retention. LFG shouts in an exploratory zone as a throwback to traditional MMOs have as much of a place as DF and PF.

It's also worth noting that solo content need not necessarily be trivial or even designed around casual players, with solo Deep Dungeons and the various Bozja duels being examples of this. I think the point around Dawntrail and Multiplayer is simply the recognition that this game needs a new set of exploratory zones to foster more community interaction.

[Katish]

It's not up to you. If the majority of casual players, who are also the majority of players like it, then your opinion is irrelevant.

You can't say this without evidence...this is purely speculation. What I said is a fact, unless they change the whole being an mmo thing which then probably might put them up for false advertising. I.e bait and switch.

[Boblawblah]

If you want to play a single player game there are many to choose from, this is not one. This is a MMORPG (Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game), it is literally in the name... of what it entails. This is not a single player game and thus should not be treated as so.

It's funny seeing 10 years of development proving the opposite but here is the same "it's an MMORPG!" argument, as if saying that suddenly makes it true.

[Katish]

It's funny seeing 10 years of development proving the opposite but here is the same "it's an MMORPG!" argument, as if saying that suddenly makes it true.

Proving what is the opposite really? They've had content to do as a party and kept player retention to some degree...it was Endwalker that has had a lack of content involving the player base as a whole (there is some...but nothing noteworthy of repeatability). They even cut down the dungeons, we factually have less dungeons than ever...and combine that with lack of any player content outside maybe a raid you never see, that totals a whole lot of nothing. There's PF with people still doing some content which is nice but even I notice that going down due to out of patch (which is normal, but I wish it weren't so normal given what this game is)

And being an MMORPG is not a factoid, it is fact...this is not an argument that we need to have because that is what it is. We could argue what dictates an mmo, sure...but they advertise it as an mmo right on the main site and free trial info.

[Antharaes]

If you want to play a single player game there are many to choose from, this is not one. This is a MMORPG (Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game), it is literally in the name... of what it entails. This is not a single player game and thus should not be treated as so.

As I already said in a previous reply, MMO only means, that there are more people online player the game. It's not a written law, that because of that, we need to interact with those people. So your argument is invalid.

[Katish]

As I already said in a previous reply, MMO only means, that there are more people online player the game. It's not a written law, that because of that, we need to interact with those people. So your argument is invalid.

By that logic, Stardew Valley and IMVU are MMOs...clearly there is a difference and reason why they don't advertise as MMOs let's not sugar coat things. Ideally you shouldn't be forced to interact with people, yes...but there should be features for that, not have that as the premise of it all. (We got this in trusts to a degree and chat manipulation, what more do you need....)

[Ardeth]

You can't say this without evidence...this is purely speculation. What I said is a fact, unless they change the whole being an mmo thing which then probably might put them up for false advertising. I.e bait and switch.

People clamor for new duty support. The majority of interactions with actually people on the internet can be extremely mixed regardless if you believe the great community fallacy or not. The point is that people today would rather not have to deal with rude people. And on the internet, that makes it harder to avoid. Granted, I don't agree with the sentiment of playing a mmo like a single-player game, but this game, as it is, absolutely gives that impression. The msq is solo. The challenges players take for the most part are solo or, at their extent, solo based. This is more a single-player game than a multiplayer one. If you exclude optional content, you barely have to play with anyone. And even when you do, the majority of players are silent. You might as well be playing a single-player game.

I think you are throwing a hissy fit because you know you're wrong in this assessment regardless of any numbers that none of us have. Even the Bancho numbers aren't accurate. So, asking for numerical proof in any argument here is disingenuous at best and argumentative at worst. I will be blocking you since all you want to do is agrue and not discuss.

[Katish]

I think you are throwing a hissy fit because you know you're wrong in this assessment regardless of any numbers that none of us have. Even the Bancho numbers aren't accurate. So, asking for numerical proof in any argument here is disingenuous at best and argumentative at worst. I will be blocking you since all you want to do is agrue and not discuss.

You assume I am throwing a hissy fit, you are wrong. I just want the game to be as it is advertised lel...which is why I don't disagree that this game is becoming what you said, which is unfortunate. And I am not asking for anything in terms numerical data, not sure where that came from, I just said that you can't say that legitimately because it does require data to be determined as true, not that I want said data. And sure block me, I don't care, apparently me spitting facts is seen as "not here to discuss", when I want to discuss and come to a resolution else why would I chat here in the first place...

It's also bad to assume I don't want trusts expanded I do (where did I say I didn't, I brought it up last post lel)...but I don't want it to consume the mmo experience to implement a single player experience.