Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[Mortex]

And in exchange SCH gets one extra aetherflow per 3 minutes

The differences are just astonishing. How do people ever mix up these classes

Dissipation doesn’t give mana. A sch main should know this. But it’s not like sgn gets in these 3 minutes two times rhizo for 2 stack that are worth 14 % mana and heals. So in 3 mins worth of fight sch gets 15 stacks AF were 9 are from atherflow and 6 from dissipation funny enough you still only get 60 % mana back. Sgn in 3 mins has 11 stacks and every single one gives 7 % mana so in short 77%. Like again you fail to simple read a post that just says sgn gets more mana then sch back.

Also you lose the fairy for a whole minute for 6 AF stacks. So fairy has 3 recast so you lose 1800 potency while doing that and that times 2 there is a reason sch has the lowest mana sustain of all the healer.

[Mortex]

Job design and balance are two different things.

If the problem is that SGE isn’t doing competitive damage because of energy drain, that can be fixed by buffing sage. The solution doesn’t ever need to be for scholar and sage to copy yet another job mechanic.

If some scholars chad their cohealers, then the job doesn’t need to be simplified to make it impossible to play scholar poorly. Although in the cases that you were looking at, I would argue that their group was probably doing a run just for the SCH’s logs. That’s not much different from people holding DPS to pad someone’s logs (or other shit that people do for their funny parse numbers).

Like I said I never said I think energy drain should be removed. On the contrary I even said I think it’s a cool idea. It’s just that the fact we have tells us it’s a toxic or healing unfriendly ability nothing more nothing less. The problem is people don’t read posts before writing stuff or take the time researching some free information before spouting false facts.

[Aravell]

I've done my fair share of log runs over the years and I'll say this, by only taking a couple of minutes to look at the top runs, you're very likely to find runs where the SCH's cohealer is specifically padding the SCH by solohealing.

If you look at actual runs by actual coordinated statics, they'd have planned out everything and fairy skills + Recitation Indom would be used to bridge the gap in the cohealer's tools. That's how my old team used to do it.

Trying to balance on the basis of people willingly padding another person is rather dumb.

But I digress, this is an incredibly pointless debate anyway. Everyone has their own conclusions.

[Mortex]

This might be a very casual brained take but job and fight design shouldnt primarily concern themselves with what how parseable they are. Close to the 100 parse it's becoming completely unserious anyway through crit RNG and convincing other people to sandbag just so you have an optimal kill time. The strats employed there are going away from clearing the fight better, faster and/or smoother so there has to be a limit to how much they are factored into the design. People should be able to do them if they want to but the devs should also ignore those outliers.

Yeah sry for going into this territory. But I hate people telling wrong facts about a job then backpaddles for all what’s worth just because I said that sages bubble is better then scholars and I used the word clunky in the same post for sch. Just because some people have hate boners for some jobs for whatever god given reasons.

I can agree that 100 parsing for healers will almost always be that your co healer will do more. And people use some wild and absurd ways doing this. And like I said I’m sorry for bringing this stuff up.


Like I even would love something like ED for all the healer so there is stuff to do and decision making or like I said have the healing kit and dps kit interact way more and in interesting way with each other.

I do think cutting the free healing and not changing the dmg rotation for healer will be ne in the same situation we’re we instead of spamming glare will use 3 more times medica in a row just because 95 % of the healing kits are just regen or heal overtime and nothing Interesting like wow has.

[Mortex]

I've done my fair share of log runs over the years and I'll say this, by only taking a couple of minutes to look at the top runs, you're very likely to find runs where the SCH's cohealer is specifically padding the SCH by solohealing.

If you look at actual runs by actual coordinated statics, they'd have planned out everything and fairy skills + Recitation Indom would be used to bridge the gap in the cohealer's tools. That's how my old team used to do it.

Trying to balance on the basis of people willingly padding another person is rather dumb.

But I digress, this is an incredibly pointless debate anyway. Everyone has their own conclusions.

I can agree it is a pointless debate and I’m sorry for going into this but like I wrote I hate people telling false stuff about jobs and then back paddle after you confront them with facts. Like 90 to 95 % logs I argue are the numbers we’re the sch co healer will be in a good spot healing and dps wise. These logs don’t overuse ED and use the stacks for healing and mits that are needed same with stuff like adlo spread.

[ty_taurus]

It’s almost like the presence of of “chad healing” where one player leaves the healing responsibilities to the other healer is caused by the person who plays the game and not the design of the job itself.

[tsuchii]

Ultimate is not engaging. It's a memory game. It's a bunch of mechanics you remember in exact order in perfect precision with 7 other players. It's basically a puzzle, memory game. Normal mode in XIV is so braindead that there's nothing in between these ultracomplicated memory games and the extremely easy normal content.

[Deceptus]

It’s almost like the presence of of “chad healing” where one player leaves the healing responsibilities to the other healer is caused by the person who plays the game and not the design of the job itself.

If you're going to leave the healing to the other healer, drop a healer and bring an extra DPS.

[ty_taurus]

If you're going to leave the healing to the other healer, drop a healer and bring an extra DPS.

What's interesting is I'd go so far as to say that "chad healing" has become more prominent than ever before in Shadowbringers and Endwalker. How can that be? If so many attacks have been purged from healers, and we have more healing abilities than ever before, why is there an increase in this behavior? And I think the answer is actually quite simple: normal content.

Normal content can be cleared without ever needing to cast the "bad" healing GCDs that cost you your damage, and where anytime healing is needed, very often your cohealer has probably thrown out a heal that resolved the mechanics in one go. And any player who has the interest and ability to jump into Extreme and Savage is going to notice this. Thus, when we get into those harder pieces of content where, at least during prog, those "bad" healing GCDs are required, why are we surprised that so many people will ignore that? Because the rest of the game has conditioned them to believe their free OGCD heals or lily heals are enough, and that their co-healer is enough.

[Rolder50]

If you're going to leave the healing to the other healer, drop a healer and bring an extra DPS.

Problem with that is that this often messes up planning for mechanics. If you have a mechanic that always targets two healers but then only have one, then you'll have a random DPS be targeted instead. People would generally prefer to just have two healers then have to deal with RNG in their mechanics.