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[Mortex]

There is a connection why high DPS logs from the scholar that are 98% or higher will have the co healer do all the healing and have the scholar use all stacks for energy drain. The most in sync as scholar with you co heal will be around 40-50 % energy drain usage.

Like its pretty simple if you ED your dmg will increase but on the cost of your healing and the co healer dmg.

These "all aetherflowstacks into ED" scenarios are as rare as winning lottery and in common pf situations will hurt the party

You said "I really don't see why people always view Energy Drain as a problem."

The problem is we have actual Data gathered from pretty sure more then 10 k people on scholar showing that for a 98% or higher sch log your co healer will suffer.

Like i also said i dont have any problems with ED but saying its not the problem is just not true, when like i said we have actual Data proof on a free online site all people can visit.

Its the same with Snow telling me ED doesnt do a good chunk out of SCH dps when i see world 1 logs from SGN and SCH that are DPS wise apart by around 400-500 DPS while ED does this exact amount.

There is a difference between fact and "feelings"

Like this entire conversation just happened because snow has a hate for SGN for whatever unholy reason asked what buttons sgn does better and i just said bubble and said in the same sentence sch is a clunky job and after that he claims facts that are just remotly true.

Like i dont care what feelings i hurt if i say my part i use facts and not my "feelings"

The fact is sch does more dmg by piggy back riding his co healer in the healing department so he can use all AF stacks for ED.

We have proof of this on a specific free side
Same with the fact that the more Ed you use on sch the more healing use lose.

I argue (didnt do the math for now) that sch would be dmg/healing wise on the same spot as SGN if scholar would not have ED.

[Mortex]

Are you the same guy as before, are you using a different account to dodge post limits because otherwise I am confused as hell, I’m gonna go with the assumption you are the same person

Point 1) can you please pick a lane for your opinion of energy drain, you have spent 10 posts arguing the energy drain is a massive contribution for its 5% when we have all said that that isn’t really meaningful, the 5% is a useful optimisation amount but it’s not worth chasing your cohealer, that’s the entire point

Point 2) you’ll hear no disagreement with me, I’ve argued about healer DPS problems as long as we have had the modern healers, energy drain isn’t the totality of SCH’s complexity nor should it be, I would 100% trade energy drain for a more complex DPS kit but they have to balance how much that would break SCH’s HPS if they did that way

Point 3) the proofs are literally in the logs you yourself constantly refer to, SCH is first in rDPS at the max percentile in near every fight (otherwise it’s AST) SGE wins in lower percentiles, that’s literally how rDPS is designed to be balanced, I don’t know how else to describe that to you; the last time I tried to explain that to you you went off on a tangent about what percentage of different percentiles total aetherflow was spent on energy drain, as for shields critlo dwarfs anything SGE puts out, SCH has one extra mitigation in fey illumination and it gets better utility as expedience has no counter and SCH more strongly benefits from single target healing up because it can spread critlo



And for the 918450158285915918th time abyssos I as caused by the DPS refusing to mitigate even though they hold 50% of the total mitigation, we weren’t wiping in abyssos because the SCH used energy drain over sacred soil, we were wiping because the DPS and tanks would refuse to press their mitigation then demand the healer succor spam the dot that was chunking 50% of their HP per tick, there is a big difference there

I love this claim you did here sir shows me how mature this will be so im gonna say my part. Mister "i claim facts that are just slightly true". Im sure he used 5 mins for checking logs and saw the same stuff i saw before some people claim "Scholar healing will be even higher when we remove ED (almost same healing when scholar doesnt use all stack for ED) or his dmg is just way higher because rDPS (if he doesnt dumb AF stack on ED its lower until 98 % logs) or ED doesnt do a lot for SCH dmg (does out dps sgn in 100 % log by 400 dps while ED does around 400 while also losing 80 % of healing power and 10 % mit for the entire fight) "

[AmiableApkallu]

Job design and balance are two different things.

This. I really don't care what's happening in the 98th-percentile on some Ultimate. I'd settle for not dying of boredom from Broil-spam in my daily roulettes.

[Supersnow845]

This. I really don't care what's happening in the 98th-percentile on some Ultimate. I'd settle for not dying of boredom from Broil-spam in my daily roulettes.

Honestly I should move towards this form of discussion considering I don’t remotely meet the level of talent needed to back up half of my arguments even if mathematically they are true

But otherwise I agree, ED is worth it as a flavour button on that front even if I want more complex DPS

[Saraide]

This might be a very casual brained take but job and fight design shouldnt primarily concern themselves with what how parseable they are. Close to the 100 parse it's becoming completely unserious anyway through crit RNG and convincing other people to sandbag just so you have an optimal kill time. The strats employed there are going away from clearing the fight better, faster and/or smoother so there has to be a limit to how much they are factored into the design. People should be able to do them if they want to but the devs should also ignore those outliers.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I mean, isn't SGE's addersgall basically what they wanted ED to be used as? they're functionally WHM lilies, but on not-SCH

It literally is. If one played SCH without adding Energy Drain to their hotbar it would play almost 1:1. They just have to press Aetherflow instead of afking in combat to generate the stacks lol.

[Nizzi]

Let's attach a 350 potency AoE heal to Energy Drain, then we won't be losing healing at all!

[rawker]

Don't forget to apply a shield equating to 180% of the healed amount

[Absurdity]

It literally is. If one played SCH without adding Energy Drain to their hotbar it would play almost 1:1. They just have to press Aetherflow instead of afking in combat to generate the stacks lol.

SGE technically gets 21% MP back every 60 seconds, lol.

[Supersnow845]

SGE technically gets 21% MP back every 60 seconds, lol.

And in exchange SCH gets one extra aetherflow per 3 minutes

The differences are just astonishing. How do people ever mix up these classes