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[rawker]

SGE can heal and damage. Addersgall has no dps usage. MP economy is also tied tightly to healing. Holos, Kerachole and Taurochole have built in healing and mitigation. There's no wonder how SGE will do most of the healing, even if it didn't intend to.

[Mortex]

SGE can heal and damage. Addersgall has no dps usage. MP economy is also tied tightly to healing. Holos, Kerachole and Taurochole have built in healing and mitigation. There's no wonder how SGE will do most of the healing, even if it didn't intend to.

The problem is the talk about sch doing more dmg when in any normal run they both do almost the same dmg. And good sch run is padding the hell out of energy drain (his co healer does 99 heals in all of any high sch logs) while in comparison every sgn log is the sage almost always doing more heal then his co partner.

In a very specific padding situation sch does more dmg but in a full realistic situation its almost the same dmg and for the amount of hoops you have to jump through. Like if people like that i dont say anything against it its just way more effort for almost the same.

[rawker]

The problem is the talk about sch doing more dmg when in any normal run they both do almost the same dmg. And good sch run is padding the hell out of energy drain (his co healer does 99 heals in all of any high sch logs) while in comparison every sgn log is the sage almost always doing more heal then his co partner.

In a very specific padding situation sch does more dmg but in a full realistic situation its almost the same dmg and for the amount of hoops you have to jump through. Like if people like that i dont say anything against it its just way more effort for almost the same.

It has always been the case since ARR that the healer who has a more optimal healing rotation or whose dps rotation caps relatively low will always take hit in their dps since they lose lower while the other healer who can push higher dps is expected to do so all while supplementing the healing done by their co-healers.

[Mortex]

Like sgn beats sch at median 50 % almost all the time and i argue 50 % logs is a good indicator for a decent chunk of the player base. The only time sch wins these "log battles" is if the co healer does all the healing and you can use energy drain all the time. While on the other hand sgn does close dmg without losing healing and mitigations. Like we can argue and all but the most glaring difference is energy drain being a dps button for aetherflow. So in any normal setting sch will not do more dmg then sage and maybe has like a bit more utility for being super mega clunky. Like i said nothing against if people like that but saying sch does more dmg in a realistic scenario is just not true.


Edit: Even in 80 % logs does sgn beats sch in dps so no clue where the idea comes sch does in realistic situations more dmg. Like im a air plane in some specific situations.

[Supersnow845]

Like sgn beats sch at median 50 % almost all the time and i argue 50 % logs is a good indicator for a decent chunk of the player base. The only time sch wins these "log battles" is if the co healer does all the healing and you can use energy drain all the time. While on the other hand sgn does close dmg without losing healing and mitigations. Like we can argue and all but the most glaring difference is energy drain being a dps button for aetherflow. So in any normal setting sch will not do more dmg then sage and maybe has like a bit more utility for being super mega clunky. Like i said nothing against if people like that but saying sch does more dmg in a realistic scenario is just not true.


Edit: Even in 80 % logs does sgn beats sch in dps so no clue where the idea comes sch does in realistic situations more dmg. Like im a air plane in some specific situations.

It’s an rDPS job this always applies, SCH’s damage variance against SGE isn’t coming from padding on energy drain it’s coming from chain

[Mortex]

It’s an rDPS job this always applies, SCH’s damage variance against SGE isn’t coming from padding on energy drain it’s coming from chain

Then how is sch losing in RDPS vs sgn in a 80 % log. Could be because Chain is one of the most rng based rdps gains in ff 14 history same with Litany

i take the 101 log in P11S for sch and sgn so a 80 % log. Sch does 8,076.5 rDps while sgn does 8,207.1 rDps. If chain does so much why is there a 130 dps diff on a healer that has way way way less work to do.

[Supersnow845]

Then how is sch losing in RDPS vs sgn in a 80 % log. Could be because Chain is one of the most rng based rdps gains in ff 14 history same with Litany

i take the 101 log in P11S for sch and sgn so a 80 % log. Sch does 8,076.5 rDps while sgn does 8,207.1 rDps. If chain does so much why is there a 130 dps diff on a healer that has way way way less work to do.

Because as I said rDPS jobs really only pass pDPS at very high percentiles

It’s not like SCH is working that much harder than SGE anyway, ED really isn’t as big of a factor as you are making it out to be here. SGE is always going to win in lower percentiles, that’s basically how it’s designed to work

[Mortex]

Because as I said rDPS jobs really only pass pDPS at very high percentiles

It’s not like SCH is working that much harder than SGE anyway, ED really isn’t as big of a factor as you are making it out to be here. SGE is always going to win in lower percentiles, that’s basically how it’s designed to work

Energy drain in TOP world logs does around 400 dps gain for sch thats 6 % total dmg from. the dot does 14 % how is that not a big factor. Like it takes minimal 5-10 mins looking up sch and sgn logs in comparison and see why sch does more dmg in like 100 % logs but not in 80 % logs (if you count 80% logs as not very high percentiles and only the start 98% as very high percentiles i really dont know what to say).

Sch in super duper niche situations does more dmg yes. But first they arent anything you can do in PF or your co healer will wanna eat you alive and not something you can do with pugs. Like pls tell me 80 % logs or 50 % log arent a good indicator for the normal pf situations. Like scholar only in 98 logs wins around with 100 dps more then sgn. But like i said if you really consider super niche