Bring summoner back please

[ZiraZ]

There are so many RPRs going around, probably as many as every other melee combined, and even it is a big step up from SMN. Surely the latter could still be made more interesting without losing its popularity.

RPR was not even the most played melee in savage 6.4 or 6.5 Anabaseios, all melee jobs were relatively close in populations.
The only time reaper was extremely popular was right when Endwalker released when they were absurdly overpowered and outright broken, and then after every other melee job got a million buffs and Abyssos hit Reapers were merely 2-3% behind the other melee in dps and their population plummeted into the ground and became the least played melee job by far and didn't recover until way later.

It's a fact people flock to the easy overpowered jobs and ditch them the second something better comes along. Can't really blame them for that, it's just the path of least resistance, what does worry me is that I can't even tell if people are defending current SMN because they actually like it, or because they want to keep their broken overpowered free ticket job. And that's very worrisome because I don't want that to happen to my favorite job. I don't want it to be demoted into a troglodyte job for people that don't play the game.

[VictorSpoils]

RPR was not even the most played melee in savage 6.4 or 6.5 Anabaseios, all melee jobs were relatively close in populations.
The only time reaper was extremely popular was right when Endwalker released when they were absurdly overpowered and outright broken, and then after every other melee job got a million buffs and Abyssos hit Reapers were merely 2-3% behind the other melee in dps and their population plummeted into the ground and became the least played melee job by far and didn't recover until way later.

It's a fact people flock to the easy overpowered jobs and ditch them the second something better comes along. Can't really blame them for that, it's just the path of least resistance, what does worry me is that I can't even tell if people are defending current SMN because they actually like it, or because they want to keep their broken overpowered free ticket job. And that's very worrisome because I don't want that to happen to my favorite job. I don't want it to be demoted into a troglodyte job for people that don't play the game.

Mostly meant in casual content. SMN definitely isn't overpowered in Savage after all.

[Absurdity]

Mostly meant in casual content. SMN definitely isn't overpowered in Savage after all.

It's not overpowered but it's certainly the path of least resistance when you want to play a caster. The job basically plays itself and often still beats Redmage in dps.

[ZiraZ]

Mostly meant in casual content. SMN definitely isn't overpowered in Savage after all.

They might not be numerically overpowered but sure are overpowered in the sense of requiring zero brain power to autopilot while learning and performing difficult content.
It's basically impossible to make a costly mistake as SMN, min max can be learned in a handful of pulls which basically just comes down as choosing the correct lego colors
All while still bringing addle, a personal shield, a res and insane instant burst with zero buildup required, oh and yeah no casts.
it is downright unfair how overpowered they are versus Redmage, I believe current SMN should not exist, but it has to exist I at least hope they don't take this route with any other job.

[Valence]

Mostly meant in casual content. SMN definitely isn't overpowered in Savage after all.

If anything current SMN in casual dungeons kinda reminds me a little of HW SMN in dungeons how broken it is and cleans everything before anybody has even had time to pop buffs. In both cases, just press a button and drop a nuke (or a series of nukes) with a 100% frontloaded burst AoE damage. I absolutely hate when I'm paired with those as a DPS. They don't require any skill and they'll kill everything before you can even have fun.

I guess it's good for people that hate doing dungeons and want to be done with them as fast as possible though.

[Supersnow845]

If anything current SMN in casual dungeons kinda reminds me a little of HW SMN in dungeons how broken it is and cleans everything before anybody has even had time to pop buffs. In both cases, just press a button and drop a nuke (or a series of nukes) with a 100% frontloaded burst AoE damage. I absolutely hate when I'm paired with those as a DPS. They don't require any skill and they'll kill everything before you can even have fun.

I guess it's good for people that hate doing dungeons and want to be done with them as fast as possible though.

To be fair that’s not exclusively a SMN problem

You ever do AOE with a dark that knows what they are doing

They WILL nuke the mobs, the WILL out DPS you on any class and you just get to sit there and watch as you futilely try to charge your buffs