Let's play a game: Save the Ancients!

[Carin-Eri]

I have been that dps and most often I somehow end up being on bard or mch so that the only way to hope I survive is with second wind and a potion. Or that if the tank is still alive is able to throw me a shield that can heal me.

I feel they're trying hard to steer it towards the one that normally breaks out when talking about anything related to that subject. While also trying to argue many points that weren't all brought up by those she's arguing with. I still feel the only way to avoid the sundering and thus "save" the ancients is to prevent the releasing of the Metiea. Of at least having Hermes do one more correction of Meteion. Though that doesn't stop the world going to hell. As we know Midgardsormr was already on his way by the time we're visiting Elpis. Which means Omega is also on their way. We also know that if the Ominicrons had found a way to continue on their subjugation of the universe they would have made it to Etheirys at some point. We all know what they do when they start their attack. They target the various ecosystems of the planet and kill them off.

Even if the Onminicrons didn't come and they didn't go the way of the Nibirun then they'd end up like the EA in awaiting the heat death of the universe. If not something else coming along or the veneer peels off for one too many and the next Hermes or Athena ends up happening. Only for the counter point to be yeah well the sundered are just as capable. Where I don't think anyone is arguing against that. Just it only takes a single Ancient vs what normally is a group of sundered doing something that's able to cause world ending catastrophes.

I guess this thought might be something better suited to a thread of it's own - but one can't help but wonder what would've happened if the Omicrons had reached Etheirys during the Ancients time.

[thegreatonemal]

I guess this thought might be something better suited to a thread of it's own - but one can't help but wonder what would've happened if the Omicrons had reached Etheirys during the Ancients time.

Took them over easily and would probably find no use in anything from the planet other than its abundance in aether. Creation magic is something they added as a side function into omega to copy how dragons evolve to meet different situations.

[Cleretic]

I guess this thought might be something better suited to a thread of it's own - but one can't help but wonder what would've happened if the Omicrons had reached Etheirys during the Ancients time.

Oh, they'd be extremely screwed. Like, I think we're looking at an Endsinger-level threat, in that the Ancients are going to face losses they can't even fathom, which is gonna lead into some equivalent of the sacrifice spiral that led to Hydaelyn. The circumstances will be different, we're probably not looking at mass sacrifices to a self-made god, but we'd see the exact same beats play out.

And that's if they win. Thegreatonemal has a point, I think it's far more likely to just end in the Omicrons incorporating creation magic into themselves and inventing replicators. (If they didn't already have them, which I'm unclear on.) The Omicrons are way more implacable than any of the threats that the Ancients definitely had coming; for as bad as the Endsinger, Midgardsormr or Athena are/were, once you deal with them either by destruction or just putting them at bay, they're kinda done; there's only one of them, that's only one problem to solve. But the Omicron are a massive force, known to adapt their approach; they're impossibly hard to actually stop.

I'd be on board with a separate thread of 'how well would any FFXIV civilization handle against the Omicrons'. My initial gut feeling: I think Garlemald dies first. We know from Ghordona that the Omicrons actually do have a level of threat assessment even if it's flawed, I think the Garleans have the nasty combination of being completely ineffectual while looking very dangerous.