7.0 Summoner abandoned job or not

[george357]

they cryed like babys give up bigger and more powerful avaters and when they did what they wanted and what happened the started crying about carbie not doing damage the more the fix smn the more they cry stop it their are 19 jobs in game pick another till they fix smn the way you like it.

[HappyHubris]

SMN will not be fixed in 7.0, because there is no fix for a complete gut of the job.

I'm more worried about what the SMN 6.0 slaughter will mean for other reworks. If they're willing to take the most complex job and make it brain dead, there's a pretty clear goal for the game. Look at healers and their 1 spam.

[HappyHubris]

they cryed like babys give up bigger and more powerful avaters and when they did what they wanted and what happened the started crying about carbie not doing damage the more the fix smn the more they cry stop it their are 19 jobs in game pick another till they fix smn the way you like it.

Yeah pick the other pet DPS...err...wait

[ThorneDynasty]

they cryed like babys give up bigger and more powerful avaters and when they did what they wanted and what happened the started crying about carbie not doing damage the more the fix smn the more they cry stop it their are 19 jobs in game pick another till they fix smn the way you like it.

Saying you can't complain because they addressed one thing by improving the summon animations while messing up literally everything else is kind of like saying you shouldn't complain if you got to a restaurant, order a water and pasta, and the waitress comes and throws the pasta in your face, because hey you got the water just like you wanted. How dare you whine?

[Valence]

SMN will not be fixed in 7.0, because there is no fix for a complete gut of the job.

I'm more worried about what the SMN 6.0 slaughter will mean for other reworks. If they're willing to take the most complex job and make it brain dead, there's a pretty clear goal for the game. Look at healers and their 1 spam.

I completely agree with your feeling on the matter, but old SMN, most complex job? Really?

[Big-Isaac]

I'd say that the thematic skeleton of the job is pretty much perfect now. The issue is that there just isn't enough meat on that skeleton yet, which they absolutely could (and should) address in 10 more levels.

[ThorneDynasty]

I completely agree with your feeling on the matter, but old SMN, most complex job? Really?

It was a weirdly prevalent hyped up consensus during 5.X, because "omg its rotation is 2 MINUTES long!!!!"

I suppose technically there were distinct but simple phases spread through a longer period of time. Which is still true, actually, going to show how bad a metric that is for complexity.

[rawker]

I completely agree with your feeling on the matter, but old SMN, most complex job? Really?

It was not complex but it was not braindead as EW SMN. Even ARR SMN was more complex than EW SMN.. That's how utterly bad the rework was.

If anyone here's interested, current pets follow a 3-second "train" that leaves after 1 second. It means that for every real time second divisible by 3, you have a 1 second window of queueing pet abilities so the pet will execute it one after the other within that 3 second window.. One caveat though is that if you mash the pet abilities without a 300-500ms gap in between those weaves, depending on ping, the latter ability will have to wait for the next window.. Think of 2 passengers trying to fit in the train door and cause a fight. it got resolved by making the latter take the next train.

[Valence]

I'd say that the thematic skeleton of the job is pretty much perfect now. The issue is that there just isn't enough meat on that skeleton yet, which they absolutely could (and should) address in 10 more levels.

Yeah they all said the same thing when they reworked MCH. *wheeze*

It was a weirdly prevalent hyped up consensus during 5.X, because "omg its rotation is 2 MINUTES long!!!!"

I suppose technically there were distinct but simple phases spread through a longer period of time. Which is still true, actually, going to show how bad a metric that is for complexity.

Don't get me wrong, it was a decently demanding caster unlike now.

[VentVanitas]

personally, I don't think it's worth giving SE any merit for "making a good foundation." it'd be like giving a student a passing grade for an essay that had nothing on it but "intro, paragraph 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, conclusion." I'm judging the product given to me, and I frankly don't care about future potential unless they actualize it.