7.0 Healer Wishlist

[IceBlueNinja]

I felt like SCH with another instant GCD (Phlegma or Miasma 2) and pet heals being off the GCD (like SB) would’ve been enough to solve some of shadowbringers problems.



How does it fit SCH but not SGE? SCH and SGE heal so similarly. Are you okay with SE using the same blanket solution for every healer?

Cause everything sage does is pretty much instant and on the go with no punishment with only needing to cast normal prog(which you never almost use unless a lvl 20 or below dungeon or standard dosis. Why cant sage have some sort of advantage? Yall hate its much weaker shields already so it having a 2.5 second cast only is going to be hated more. It fits scholar because scholar shields= you need to stand to cast alco/succor unless swift cast but with the advantage of the most precious big shields ty to recite spread alco. I did say whm and sch not just scholar can we not be ignorant as if I said only sch geez?

Its like asking why should blm(whos the most powerful magical dps have a longer cast time(which I wish jolt is 1.5 cast too) than a rdm whos dps is far below in damage but its dual cast makes it does another instant spells after(god another job I wish they give some love to poor rdm but ofc this is not the forum to discuss about em). What am saying is weaker jobs with weaker dps or utility deserve to be more mobile than the stronger ones.

Every time someone wants a change to sage all I see is these ideas making it weaker and more hated than it is. I do not want it to be another Ast who's fun is taken away with crummy cards cause all these entitled people is the reason why ast is always a mess. Stormblood ast(the best ast gone) look at the garbage of it now, yes its healing kit is still great but the fun and aspects of card playing being all about rng all taken away and so braindead.

[IceBlueNinja]

I feel like SGE more than SCH needs the restrictive cast times because SGE’s healing just has literally zero downsides, SCH already has to deal with a lot of extra presses to achieve a similar result (seraph looking at you) so would probably need about the amount of weaves current WHM gets (only from lilys and dia not from glare) to make it function better but SGE really needs something to slow down its disgusting HPS

That or remove pet heals from our GCD

As stated to bole yes it needs some sort of advantage for its lack of utility and weaker shields by having no punishment. Just like whm is to be a easy job to relax for casuals and ast is to be hard and tactical, sage should be simple and fun for someone interested in shield healing but do not want to do all the big brain and planning out sch must be doing. Are we not trying to make them feel some what different as you asked me many times?

[Supersnow845]

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The problem is that SGE is absolutely dripping in HPS that is both unbalancing the game and also removing the other classes niches, I’m personally fine with SGE having particular niches, it’s shielding on the go is great and I’m totally fine if it does a little more damage (I’d love them to try to break the dominance of buff healers in higher end comps, even if that makes SGE’s nuke potency cracked in casual content)

Think about it, if you ask someone what is the advantage of the fairy the one that most often comes to people’s mind is totem healing, it’s why whispering dawn has such a short range, if you asked someone what a good niche of WHM was in edens promise you’d likely get WHM’s heals can hit everyone during umbra tiles phase while SCH and AST couldn’t unless they relied on SCH’s totem or AST’s “buff limitless distance expiration heals” (like horoscope), then along comes SGE, all its heals come from itself, but it’s compensated with more mobility, a fair trade right, no because literally every single heal SGE has hits the next instance over. Physis is 30 yalms, pnuema is 25, kerechole is 25, holos is 30 it’s just absurd. SGE has zero downsides to its healing and absolutely no restrictions on the disgusting amount of HPS it can dump out (SGE is first by a pretty wide margin in HPS)

SGE needs a barrier on its HPS, limited weave windows is one particular option, nobody says it shouldn’t be compensated in another way for this (for example I’ve always said you should be able to use eukrasia on pneuma to give SGE a 20% mitigation that would put it far ahead of SCH on true mitigation at the expense of its weaker shields), I also believe SGE should get a more complex DPS rotation and be compensated for that with more damage

We don’t hate SGE it just needs limits on its HPS, it has almost twice the HPS of ShB AST who everyone at the time agreed was so disgustingly cracked that the game would never recover

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Turn all SGE’s 25y/30y down to 15y-20y, then rework Icarus by giving them 3-4 stacks and making them potentially ground targetable plus 3rd charge of Phlegma as a band aid lmfao.

… I’m half joking…

[ForsakenRoe]

Why cant sage have some sort of advantage? Yall hate its much weaker shields already so it having a 2.5 second cast only is going to be hated more.

I know you're very 'in SGE's corner' but it's shields are exactly as strong as SCH's, with only one exception: the comparison between Deploy-Adlo and Zoe-E.Prog. Eukrasian Diagnosis shield is 180% of 300p (540p). Adlo is 180% of 300p as well. They both have the same 'if you crit, you get two copies of the shield effect instead of one' with Catalyze and Differential Diagnosis. Succor is 160% of 200p (320p). Eukrasian Prognosis is 320% of 100p (also 320p). The upfront healing of E.Prog is lower (because of the existence of regular Prognosis at 300p healing), but the shielding works out to be identical. Panhaima is 200p x5, Consolation is 200p x2 (but you can spread them out a bit further by delaying the second use further I guess?). Holos has a 300p shield attached, SCH has no tool that is analogous. If anything, it's SGE that has the stronger shields, and not because they're 'stronger', but because it just has 'more' of them to choose from.

A 2.5s cast time on SGE would work fine IMO. Might even make Toxikon and it's instantcast nature have some more interesting gameplay attached

[Allegor]

I always assumed people say SCH has better shields because they can make it crit on demand thanks to recitation

[Supersnow845]

I always assumed people say SCH has better shields because they can make it crit on demand thanks to recitation

A deployed adlo is the strongest shield in the game (its base shield potency with no buffs is about 810 potency of shield) but it is also very resource intensive which is its tradeoff

Adlo is a GCD you have to stand still to cast, recitation is a tool with other healing potential (600 potency critdom or 1200 potency critcog while removing their ED cost) and any buffs to its potency have other uses (protraction is also a 10% mitigation and can be used to buff other heals including the tanks own heals, dissipation is risky and usually done specifically for damage and fey illumination is also a raidwide mitigation)

Zoe+e prog only costs the GCD and Zoe who’s only other real use is changing Pnuema from 600 potency to 900 potency

[Aravell]

I don't know how my suggestion got spun into me hating SGE, but if someone actually plays SGE a lot, they'd be able to see that the idea actually doesn't hurt SGE at all.

You get instant casts when you're close to the boss, which is where you're meant to be when weaving heals anyway since all your abilities originate from your position. Being unable to weave when far from the boss means you have to use Toxikon to weave if you're unable to get close, which gives value to Toxikon existing. And having the nice bonus of instant casts when close to the boss means Icarus has value when getting you back to the boss quickly after going out for a spread mechanic.

The only cons are that you get a shorter slidecast window and you can't weave when you're casting your filler far from the boss. Other than that, SGE's freedom isn't hampered very much at all since Eukrasian Diagnosis/Prognosis are still instant, Eukrasian Dosis is still instant, Phlegma and Toxikon are still instant.

[rawker]

... dissipation is risky and usually done specifically for damage....

Or if you need the extra Lustrates for those kinds of roulette runs where the tank is very stingy of their mits. XD

[Supersnow845]

Holos is a really strong mitigation, and SCH doesn't have an equivalent source of shields. I assumed that it was buffed so much to give SGE something that can do what deployed crit shields can.

It was, it way because SGE was getting excluded as the shield healer is DSR