Let's play a game: Save the Ancients!

[Vyrerus]

Honestly, the rest of this hypothetical is purely baseless what-if that I don't think can be worked with in any way; not only do I not think the Ancients can actually reach and traverse Ultima Thule, I'm not even sure a 'primal made of dynamis' is possible, that might be akin to asking for a sword made of helium. And personally, I also don't think this solves things; I think that's essentially a Zodiark of a different shape, you can't make something like that without some major cost, and after that I think an equivalent of sacrifices and Hydaelyn of some form are inevitable.

Considering Dynamis can be used and influenced to recreate societies wholesale as shown in the Dead Ends / Omicron beast tribe quests, and considering that Hermes says that it's similar to aether, I don't think an arcane construct made from it would be impossible.

I also think you're way off kilter here, as you usually are, when it comes to the Ascian's capabilities. If Zenos with mothercrystal leftovers can mantle Shinryu and reach Ultima Thule entirely without a spaceship, then Unsundered Ascians should have little trouble managing something similar.

I think Yuella's idea about a Dynamis Primal is kind of weird, but I guess the idea would be it would achieve similar power to the Meteion hivemind, as all of their power comes from harnessing the majority universal constituent energy. It's more or less just a second kind of sentient entelechy but with a focus on positive emotion and stopping Meteion, kind of similar to how Hydaelyn was polar opposite to Zodiark and focused for the explicit purpose of Sundering Etheirys.

If they could make it, which they likely could given some time to have others study Dynamis, or by taking Hermes's knowledge of it by looking into his memories/soul with The Echo, then it'd work quite nicely.

As for your assertions before this point, you are getting away from the point of the thread in trying to justify Venat's actions within the story, where her rationale is only assumed to be correct by her, not verifiably correct, as her decisions were driven by her own fear rather than by logic. I don't think you need to bludgeon anyone into getting on board with your perception either. It doesn't serve the thread nor the discussion.

[Cleretic]

As for your assertions before this point, you are getting away from the point of the thread in trying to justify Venat's actions within the story, where her rationale is only assumed to be correct by her, not verifiably correct, as her decisions were driven by her own fear rather than by logic. I don't think you need to bludgeon anyone into getting on board with your perception either. It doesn't serve the thread nor the discussion.

On the contrary: as I said in my initial reply, I'm taking into account all the facts we have, unless there are relevant reasons for dismissal. And there is no reason to dismiss Venat's actions in hiding information. Not only does she have evidence, we were there to see the evidence! We know that Emet takes this bad and Hermes takes it worse, and those are the main problems.

If your view is 'I don't like this so I'm declaring it wrong', that's all the power to you. I haven't invented this game, so I can't tell you that's against the rules. But my view is that all evidence is accepted unless specifically proven wrong, and we know why she was right to do that. But then, I think we're playing by different victory conditions; your opening statement was to reject Endwalker, while mine was to accept it.

As to the Zenos point: Zenos isn't a reliable source of scientific intel, but to the best of my understanding, he got to Ultima Thule by tracing the path left by the Ragnarok. In essence, he was the first person to use the route that we'd later use to get back to UT for stuff like the Stigma Dreamscape and Omicron quests. He can't get there without us getting there first. You can't brute-force that, without the Ragnarok space travel is still space travel, it takes ages as seen by Midgardsormr and Omega. So in essence, the struggle isn't if the Ancients can make make a Shinryu; it's if the Ancients can make a Ragnarok. And not just that, but make it on a major time crunch, since in Yuella's hypothetical this thing is instead of Zodiark, so it's gotta do its job before the End of Days hits the planet.

Those are really bad odds, and frankly, I don't think the Ancients had it in 'em! Hermes is the only one that managed making something that can do it, and thanks to telling the Convocation, he's off the table, and since he's the only one interested in space there probably aren't ready alternatives. In the actual game it took the loporrits twelve thousand years to come up with that plan, and they still weren't sure about it; under the time crunch of the Final Days, I think the Ancients have a snowball's chance in hell.

Honestly I also think the Ancients aren't capable of traversing Ultima Thule, but I was putting that aside in this scenario because, I dunno, maybe the Feelings Beast doesn't have that same problem.