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  1. #851
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    Divinemights's Avatar
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    Altria Pendragons
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuniko View Post
    1. I DO NOT WANT to transfer to a new data center to get a house.

    2. I DO NOT WANT to leave my FC, and my friends behind or my SO.

    3. I DO NOT WANT to leave a good RP spot behind. So stop this crap with ''OH JUST MOVE ITS SO EASY LUL''
    It is your choice but any choice will comes with consequence.
    You are not going to a high pay job without invest in Education, there is no other way around.
    If you don't want to invest in Education but want a high pay, that usually means criminal activity and consequence is the prison
    Deal with it or leave it.
    (3)

  2. #852
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    Eloy Impia
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaD View Post
    Plot 11 in LB is the most popular along with 41 in subdiv, duh?

    There are med goblets with literally 0 bids or close to it every cycle. Same with empy.
    I don't deny that, as I stated it's correct that the best course of action right now is to move if you want a house. Keyword: right now. But it's not as good of an opportunity as it once was, and in the near future, it won't be the opportunity it is now. "Move to Dynamis" is not a permanent solution.
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  3. #853
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    Ashley Hallowheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Impia View Post
    I don't deny that, as I stated it's correct that the best course of action right now is to move if you want a house. Keyword: right now. But it's not as good of an opportunity as it once was, and in the near future, it won't be the opportunity it is now. "Move to Dynamis" is not a permanent solution.
    It is to get a medium right now, yes, after DT it will probably still be one except for a short time after release.
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  4. #854
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    Lorelai Oshidari
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    Gonna give my 2 cents on the matter since it only took me 4 years to realize the housing forum exists.

    There is no "housing shortage" on the majority of servers. Taking a look through Paissa, most have over 100+ open plots with Dynamis being the obvious exception with 1000s available on all servers. Primal even has between 200-400 open on most servers. The only servers that have under 100 plots open are Sargatanas, Midgardsormr, Balmung, Mateus and Excalibur (I would constitute under 100 being a shortage). So, we've established that there are houses for people to get if they want but people aren't buying them. This means that the issue is moreso a "pickiness" thing rather than "I physically cannot get a house because 0 are available".

    If you personally don't want to transfer for a house, that's entirely your choice. As others have said already however, going to Dyna for an easy house (0 bid plots) is the only option for you right now. There is no guarantee we're getting any more districts or that they'll expand housing within the next 6m+, so I think ya'll should decide for yourself how much you actually want a house.

    If you're holding out on getting a house simply for the fact, for example, that you don't want a small in Goblet....you're creating your own problem. I got a house in my first week in Diabolos just by going for a small with plans to upgrade in the future and won it on a 50/50. It was that simple.

    I just really can't get behind the idea that there's this big shortage on all servers when I stare at the plots around me that are empty because people don't want to take less than their ideal. I think we should just start calling it what it is: "People only want specific plots and won't take less."
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  5. #855
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    Yuniko's Avatar
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    Ahri Izumi
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    We'll see what the results bring on Thursday
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    A hope is that bright light burning within each and everyone of us!

  6. #856
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    Themarvin's Avatar
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    Kurotora Iga
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuniko View Post
    1. I DO NOT WANT to transfer to a new data center to get a house.

    2. I DO NOT WANT to leave my FC, and my friends behind or my SO.

    3. I DO NOT WANT to leave a good RP spot behind. So stop this crap with ''OH JUST MOVE ITS SO EASY LUL''
    There is not a lack of housing and that is all that can be said about that whenever it get to it, and then you just have to get in line and keep on trying that is.
    (1)

  7. #857
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palin View Post
    They always tell you to transfer character to an empty server and then use data center travel but they forgot to mention that you cannot:
    - use retainers
    - gather legendary nodes
    - check linkshells
    - enter verminion tournaments
    - enter triple triad tournaments
    - play jumbo cackpot
    - check your ingame mail
    - play ranked crystalline conflict
    - get invited to a wedding

    So you either get stuck alone in an empty server or constant hopping back and forth just to use a retainer drives you insane. All for a house. Great idea guys
    You then have to weight on what you want to do, and that is all that can be said about that in the end, there is no housing shortage and it would be too much to ask the developers to make more wards alone due to that, and if anything you would do the ones on the lesser populated servers a favor for being able to get large and medium easy, but it does not change the fact that you would have even more empty wards and then even more lost resources going into the game at absolute no point.

    Change server, if it is the case and that having a house is a must, or make an alt and get a house on another server instead.
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  8. #858
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    Khryseis Astra
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    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    There is no "housing shortage" on the majority of servers. Taking a look through Paissa, most have over 100+ open plots with Dynamis being the obvious exception with 1000s available on all servers.
    Just want to point out that if you’re looking at the top number on Paissa, that’s all plots, including FC-only. So for example, my server (Bryn) has 157 available. Setting the filters, only 55 of those are able to be bid on by individuals. These 55 plots are either individual-only or unrestricted. Everything else is FC-only. Currently bids on smalls are ranging anywhere from 2 to the high teens; none that are available this round are at 0 bids. And the ones that aren’t even available to bid on yet are also included in that total number.

    Are some people picky? Sure! If everyone took every Goblet small, would there still be enough houses on those worlds for everyone to have one? No, not judging by the number of bids per cycle. And Goblet isn’t necessarily unpopular on all worlds. If you judge desirability by number of plots available, my server loves Empyreum because there’s only 5 plots left, but all the other districts are pretty even at 10-14. (Shiro 10, Mist & LB at 13 each, then Goblet only 1 extra at 14.) I didn’t even go into sizes… 46 of those are small, leaving 9 larger sizes for everyone to fight over.

    Honestly the lottery encourages pickiness. Instant relocation was taken away, so the old advice of “get any small, upgrade location and/or size later” no longer applies. Your odds of being able to do that now through the lotto are astronomical. If it’s all RNG anyways, you might as well try for what you want when it’s available or you could be throwing away your only chance.

    Moving servers, while bettering the odds, by no means guarantees a plot. It’s still a lotto, someone could still come along and bid at the last minute and win it out from under you. And server hopping does come with a long list of inconveniences… I don’t blame anyone for not wanting to move for the chance at a plot that they won’t get to spend much time at because actually playing the game means they have to DC hop every 5 minutes.

    Which is why I’ve always advocated for an instanced system to supplement the wards. People who just want a place to decorate and customize can go instanced, those who want and prefer ward housing for “the neighborhood” or for venues can stay there. I have a plot I’m happy with, so I’m not in the lottery anymore unless my dream plot comes up. But the system is still broken: I feel for everyone struggling through it… and one day, even Dynamis will suffer from it.
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  9. #859
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    Verandux Palivanne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    It is your choice but any choice will comes with consequence.
    You are not going to a high pay job without invest in Education, there is no other way around.
    If you don't want to invest in Education but want a high pay, that usually means criminal activity and consequence is the prison
    Deal with it or leave it.
    Yes that makes sense in real life but this is a video game. I come here to have fun, not to ponder if I should cripple myself across several subjects just for the sake of a better shot at a house I want.

    If Square wants for people to move to empty servers there are better ways of doing it then make housing shitty for anyone in more populated servers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    You then have to weight on what you want to do, and that is all that can be said about that in the end, there is no housing shortage and it would be too much to ask the developers to make more wards alone due to that, and if anything you would do the ones on the lesser populated servers a favor for being able to get large and medium easy, but it does not change the fact that you would have even more empty wards and then even more lost resources going into the game at absolute no point.
    That’s another reason why I consider wards a failed housing system. It either takes too much resources on less populated servers and entire wards worth of smalls sit empty, or too little resources and people in more popular places cannot get a house.
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  10. #860
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    Lorelai Oshidari
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra View Post
    Just want to point out that if you’re looking at the top number on Paissa, that’s all plots, including FC-only. So for example, my server (Bryn) has 157 available. Setting the filters, only 55 of those are able to be bid on by individuals. These 55 plots are either individual-only or unrestricted. Everything else is FC-only. Currently bids on smalls are ranging anywhere from 2 to the high teens; none that are available this round are at 0 bids. And the ones that aren’t even available to bid on yet are also included in that total number.

    Are some people picky? Sure! If everyone took every Goblet small, would there still be enough houses on those worlds for everyone to have one? No, not judging by the number of bids per cycle. And Goblet isn’t necessarily unpopular on all worlds. If you judge desirability by number of plots available, my server loves Empyreum because there’s only 5 plots left, but all the other districts are pretty even at 10-14. (Shiro 10, Mist & LB at 13 each, then Goblet only 1 extra at 14.) I didn’t even go into sizes… 46 of those are small, leaving 9 larger sizes for everyone to fight over.

    Honestly the lottery encourages pickiness. Instant relocation was taken away, so the old advice of “get any small, upgrade location and/or size later” no longer applies. Your odds of being able to do that now through the lotto are astronomical. If it’s all RNG anyways, you might as well try for what you want when it’s available or you could be throwing away your only chance.

    Moving servers, while bettering the odds, by no means guarantees a plot. It’s still a lotto, someone could still come along and bid at the last minute and win it out from under you. And server hopping does come with a long list of inconveniences… I don’t blame anyone for not wanting to move for the chance at a plot that they won’t get to spend much time at because actually playing the game means they have to DC hop every 5 minutes.

    Which is why I’ve always advocated for an instanced system to supplement the wards. People who just want a place to decorate and customize can go instanced, those who want and prefer ward housing for “the neighborhood” or for venues can stay there. I have a plot I’m happy with, so I’m not in the lottery anymore unless my dream plot comes up. But the system is still broken: I feel for everyone struggling through it… and one day, even Dynamis will suffer from it.
    I'm aware it's FC only included, people who are desperate enough have made FCs simply for housing so I'm including it since it is a valid option. I get that people worry about losing friendships but at the same time, if your friendship with someone is tied to an FC then they're not your actual friend. I've transferred to all of the DCs now in NA throughout my 4 years and still manage to keep friendships with people from all of them. It really depends on how badly you want a house if making an FC for an easy one is the right option for you.

    If everyone in the server is fighting over a large and leaving the smalls with 0 bids, that's 46 houses that could have been taken up by people who went for the large. The smarter option would be to get the easy small and then continue to bid for larges because at least you have a house and can work towards your dream one, instead of praying you win against 200+ other people and leaving empty handed. In one hand, you lose but you have a house still. In the other, you get upset that you still don't have a house and demotivation hits harder. If you want to sit there and say that there's a shortage because you only want to bid for the large then you're causing your own problem by only accepting one thing instead of compromising. I'm not at all trying to say there are enough houses for every single person in the entire game, but there are houses sitting there and that's something that can't be denied.
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    Last edited by LianaThorne; 02-28-2024 at 06:20 AM.

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