Solution 9 - Unfounded Speculation!

[Anteiron]

Emet Selch says at the end of Endwalker: "Some of che civilizazion in the reflections will surprise you"

So I think Solution 9 comes from another reflection. The other worlds have not had calamities, so it is likely that their civilization has advanced to a very high technological level.
The problem is how it arrive to the source

[Iscah]

Emet Selch says at the end of Endwalker: "Some of che civilizazion in the reflections will surprise you"

So I think Solution 9 comes from another reflection. The other worlds have not had calamities, so it is likely that their civilization has advanced to a very high technological level.
The problem is how it arrive to the source

The "problem" is that people keep drawing this flimsiest of connections to a line that is probably just paving the way for us to actually visit other reflections (plural) in the future. It also assumes that we're going to burn through all of Emet's sightseeing recommendations in a single expansion and leave nothing for later.

Additionally, after Y'shtola has put so much work into devising a way to cross the rift, it seems unfair to just drop the answer in her lap from a civilisation that already has it figured out.

[Vyrerus]

The "problem" is that people keep drawing this flimsiest of connections to a line that is probably just paving the way for us to actually visit other reflections (plural) in the future. It also assumes that we're going to burn through all of Emet's sightseeing recommendations in a single expansion and leave nothing for later.

Additionally, after Y'shtola has put so much work into devising a way to cross the rift, it seems unfair to just drop the answer in her lap from a civilisation that already has it figured out.

I mean... that's kind of what always happens though. The dropping of solutions into her lap. See 6.55 with Cid's offscreen innovation to make the whole funnel Light from The First to the Thirteenth, and Y'shtola just showing up with the device as if it were no big deal.

See again the solution for Tempering.

See again the antidote for the poison back in SHB.

See again The House of the Crooked Coin for Seiryu's Wall.

I'm sure if Solution 9 has her answer, we'll have to fight a dungeon for it or whatever, but I kind of doubt she's gonna innovate a portal on her own. That is what would be uncharacteristic of XIV and Y'shtola related situations.

[Raiya]

Emet Selch says at the end of Endwalker: "Some of che civilizazion in the reflections will surprise you"

So I think Solution 9 comes from another reflection. The other worlds have not had calamities, so it is likely that their civilization has advanced to a very high technological level.
The problem is how it arrive to the source

At this stage with all the FF9 references they're pulling right now expecially with the preorder items of Zidane/Garnet, the ark mount etc, I'd bet money at this stage on Solution 9 being from another shard originally, likely a destroyed one. It's not only the most logical explanation of how an advanced civilization would be on the source that's NOT Allag in origin and not already destroyed after 7 Calamities but also the only one that would have any reasonable sense, not to mention being how remote and out of the way it is, why the Ascians had not used it in the first place instead of Garlemald for their last world wrecking scheme. There's also the small fact that Y'shtola has been looking to unlock the secrets of travelling to other shards and between what they dropped in the post endwalker quests with how to travel between the 13th and Source as well as the fact we still have the ability to travel between the Source and 1st thanks to G'raha allowing us to attune to the Firsts aether network it's a given that this is how the other remaining shards eventually are accessed as well as bringing the first back into the narrative in some form later on.

[Cleretic]

It's not only the most logical explanation of how an advanced civilization would be on the source that's NOT Allag in origin and not already destroyed after 7 Calamities but also the only one that would have any reasonable sense,

My counterargument to this theory is one word:

Bozja.

Bozja didn't just survive the calamity that killed Allag, it survived every single one afterwards, too. Most of the Far East seemed to survive them, in fact, but Bozja's a good one to highlight because they weren't exactly a superpower with a lot of ways to survive major disasters; in fact, they're kind of a mess. The Calamities aren't actually global, the Ascians just kept cooking them up on Eorzea to the point where they were marking the calendar by them; by the time you get to Othard, they're a blip. How hard they hit Ilsabard is a mystery, but Tural is much further out than that.

I find it absolutely unsurprising that a civilization in Tural could've just... survived a few Calamities with no more knowledge of them than 'those guys over the pond blew themselves up again'. Especially one as advanced as Solution Nine And that's even putting aside that all our evidence that they are super-old is circumstantial to the point where I don't necessarily buy it.

[kaynide]

My counterargument to this theory is one word:

Bozja.

Bozja didn't just survive the calamity that killed Allag, it survived every single one afterwards, too. Most of the Far East seemed to survive them, in fact, but Bozja's a good one to highlight because they weren't exactly a superpower with a lot of ways to survive major disasters; in fact, they're kind of a mess. The Calamities aren't actually global, the Ascians just kept cooking them up on Eorzea to the point where they were marking the calendar by them; by the time you get to Othard, they're a blip. How hard they hit Ilsabard is a mystery, but Tural is much further out than that.

I find it absolutely unsurprising that a civilization in Tural could've just... survived a few Calamities with no more knowledge of them than 'those guys over the pond blew themselves up again'. Especially one as advanced as Solution Nine And that's even putting aside that all our evidence that they are super-old is circumstantial to the point where I don't necessarily buy it.

This raises a point for wild speculation:.

Assuming Tural was largely unaffected by Eorzean calamities, and had their irregular “wtf, they blew themselves up again” moments/recorded history, the recent crisis with citizens turning into blasphemies could very well be seen as “omg wtf did they do THiS time??”.

Even though it wasn’t our fault, some in Tural might use it as justification for sending an army.

[Cleretic]

This raises a point for wild speculation:.

Assuming Tural was largely unaffected by Eorzean calamities, and had their irregular “wtf, they blew themselves up again” moments/recorded history, the recent crisis with citizens turning into blasphemies could very well be seen as “omg wtf did they do THiS time??”.

Even though it wasn’t our fault, some in Tural might use it as justification for sending an army.

I doubt this is true just because I get the idea that the Turalians probably wouldn't blame us for what seemed to be a worldwide tragedy (it's worth noting that they do have contact with Limsa so they wouldn't be totally blind to us), I do like the notion of someone's response to it being 'Okay it was PROBABLY you guys, what the hell'.

[Iscah]

I'd bet money at this stage on Solution 9 being from another shard originally, likely a destroyed one. It's not only the most logical explanation of how an advanced civilization would be on the source that's NOT Allag in origin and not already destroyed after 7 Calamities but also the only one that would have any reasonable sense

You're assuming that an advanced civilisation has to be ancient. It does not.

For that matter, we still don't even definitely know whether it is actually "advanced" or just suited to its location in a way that reads as advanced to us but might just look mystical to the characters.