RP shout ads are obstructive to chat and gameplay

[Gordita]

I looked into the fellowship finder thing, and found that it's less than ideal for the situation. There's very low character limits, meaning venues won't be able to fit a shout macro wall of text into it to describe how they have the exact same stuff as everyone else who spams chat, along with their address. I'm looking at the fellowship finder right now, but since I'm on aether I can't actually open them to really look into it. So far I see nothing but fellowships for gays, trans, FC's and raiding. I adjusted the filters for rp and player events, all languages selected, to give as many results as possible. There's 0 results (Player events main, rp sub). Reversing the main and sub yields 3 results, seemingly discord communities.
I can see why people don't use the fellowship finder for venue ads, it's inconvenient. The tiny character limit prevents people from saying what they want to about their venue. The search function doesn't have appropriate filters (ie venue) for people to easily find venues that are open. In order for that to work , someone would need to make a new fellowship each day the venue is open so that new people could find it easily. Needless to say that would lead to it being overrun with spam from more active venues. It also lacks the functionality that party finder has where you're able to link the pf to chat for people to click on, read the details, etc
The best solution I can see is to add that missing functionality to the fellowship finder, and increase the character limit to 300 instead of whatever useless number it's at now. Then take that, and pair it with a new chat channel (gonna call it the ad channel for the sake of simplicity), that has a limitation on how often one can post in it. Make this chat channel behave like system messages so that all players online can see it if they have the channel filtered into their chat tab. Then they can also add custom sound effects to it, so they get extra notice for their venues (this feature already exists in game).

A little clean up of the fellowship finder search tags ,and the ability to view most recent posts with selected tags would make a world of difference for the entire community and create a much healthier atmosphere. People are complaining about the shout spam every day. The reason nobody speaks up about it is because the community becomes toxic and trolls anyone who has an opinion that doesn't suit their agenda. That's why this thread had 15 pages or more deleted from it. I'm sure my ideas could be expanded on, or refined, but at the end of the day something similar to what I suggest is simply better for everyone , no matter which side of the fence they're on
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[Padudu]

It actually does interfere with gameplay, as someone who's played this game since beta I can confirm this. You know how many people used to use shout chat for game related stuff 6 years ago compared to now? There used to be tons of content related shouts, from fate chains to hunt trains and savage carries at random , every day there was something. Now, the few things that do get shouted are swiftly buried under a pile of venue ads. It's taken over shout chat and completely destroyed the spontaneous random activities that many people joined in on, for what? So people can gather and violate tos with their mods and listen to a twitch dj stream stuff while they loop emotes? Myself and thousand upon thousands of players are forced to miss out on game related content because only mod dancing and nudes matter? We are all paying customers here. No side is more entitled than the other. Hence the suggestion to have a seperate place for community event advertising so people can use shout chat again without it being a constant wall of spam

Beta was over 10 years ago at this point. What you're experiencing is time changing, culture changes lol. FATE trains, hunt trains, ect still exist. It's just all in PF now because it's easier to post there than to shout in city chats. Just a thought.

Also savage carries in this day and age. LOL You pay for that now.

[strawberrycake]

Beta was over 10 years ago at this point. What you're experiencing is time changing, culture changes lol.

The culture was changed due to SE not moderating the game properly. Going lol about it doesn't change why it's bad, not all change is good and needed. stop the cap.

[Heroman3003]

The culture was changed due to SE not moderating the game properly. Going lol about it doesn't change why it's bad, not all change is good and needed. stop the cap.

It's called appealing to wider audience, they don't stop it because it's ultimately not harmful to the games performance or profitability. It's not like people would stop using faloop discord or equivalent services and go back to le good ol times of manually visiting every hub and shouting things even if the ad spam were to disappear overnight, so why bother trying?

[Padudu]

The culture was changed due to SE not moderating the game properly. Going lol about it doesn't change why it's bad, not all change is good and needed. stop the cap.

SE moderates the game plenty tho, it doesn't break the ToS therefore it's allowed. I find it fine lmao - but I'm also able to ignore it. Going "ITS NOT LIKE THE OLD DAYS" doesn't help either, because again, it's been a good 10 years from then to now. Have you considered, like, the average player has changed lmao. For example most people don't even touch savage content. A lot of people haven't even touched HoH/Eureka/PoTD. Most people do very, very casual content. There's no cap, you're just coping.

[strawberrycake]

SE moderates the game plenty tho, it doesn't break the ToS therefore it's allowed. I find it fine lmao - but I'm also able to ignore it. Going "ITS NOT LIKE THE OLD DAYS" doesn't help either, because again, it's been a good 10 years from then to now. Have you considered, like, the average player has changed lmao. For example most people don't even touch savage content. A lot of people haven't even touched HoH/Eureka/PoTD. Most people do very, very casual content. There's no cap, you're just coping.

No, the ToS is too Vague to push proper moderation and We literally had a thread recently of a girl being stalked for 3 years on here showing SE moderation is weak and needs to be fixed. Also GMs aren;t even sure about the Moderation of the RP chat spam because it's been an issue off and on as well. The cope is for anyone blindly believeing SE GMs do their job at all in this game xD

[Padudu]

No, the ToS is too Vague to push proper moderation and We literally had a thread recently of a girl being stalked for 3 years on here showing SE moderation is weak and needs to be fixed. Also GMs aren;t even sure about the Moderation of the RP chat spam because it's been an issue off and on as well. The cope is for anyone blindly believeing SE GMs do their job at all in this game xD

Except they've been pretty clear when it venue advertisements cross the line or not, I've seen RP ads get moderated when they step over the "other" tab, most RP venues don't spam beyond a certain point (and don't spam as much as FC ads, anyways), ect. SE Mods aren't perfect, ofc, nothing is, but RP in general has been touched upon by GMs repeatedly lol.

RIP Stalker girl though, yes moderation can be shit, but with RP ads at the very least it seems to be fine.

The cope is you believing that a MMO would be the same as it would be 10 years ago. It's just not. The audience has changed and it's just not for you, babe. Hell, even RP culture has changed from back then to now. Lots of it was contained to forums back then, now the FFXIV RP Forum has shut down because discord exists.

[TBerry]

With that server being relatively new, content drought, and now that it has been established that there are approximately 3 shouts per 20 minutes, so I cannot see how exactly it interferes. And interfere with WHAT exactly? AFK? Chatting? Your own Gil extortion scheme?
Also, have you tried leaving Limsa Lominsa?

[Gordita]

With that server being relatively new, content drought, and now that it has been established that there are approximately 3 shouts per 20 minutes, so I cannot see how exactly it interferes. And interfere with WHAT exactly? AFK? Chatting? Your own Gil extortion scheme?
Also, have you tried leaving Lims Lominsa?

It most certainly has not been established that there's 3 shouts per 20 minutes , and what server are you talking about? Nobody has mentioned a specific server. You're only carrying on like the same troll that got banned for trolling this thread. Please refrain from trolling and being part of the problem instead of the solution! Thanks

[AlexiaD]

It most certainly has not been established that there's 3 shouts per 20 minutes , and what server are you talking about? Nobody has mentioned a specific server. You're only carrying on like the same troll that got banned for trolling this thread. Please refrain from trolling and being part of the problem instead of the solution! Thanks

There's no need for a solution actually, and I am myself on Hali on my main and see no problem, but then again I dont live in Limsa like you seem to be doing.

Also there's barely any shouts at all on our servers on dyna, I can stay in limsa on hali for an hour and see barely anything. (both in spam and normal chatter since our dc is just dead)

Stop living in Limsa maybe and you'll have less problems, play the actual game.